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If you cannot understand the difference between physical sex and gender identity then you’re not capable of having this discussion. You’re not addressing the pr

If you cannot understand the difference between physical sex and gender identity then you’re not capable of having this discussion. You’re not addressing the premise at hand. Not very logical fwiw

fillippo 4y ago
Well they're not saying anything incorrect there. The concept of gender identity was only invented to try to provide some cover explanation as to why some people want to be the opposite sex. It's a way of legitimizing the whole thing, so e.g. rather than men saying "I want to be a woman", they can lean on this idea of gender identity and say "I am a woman", where "woman" has been redefined as "anyone with a female gender identity". And per the definition of gender identity, a man can be said to have a "female gender identity" if he wants to be a woman. Naturally, this redefinition has turned out to be quite controversial.
- oneoff786 4y ago
  Every single classification was invented to accommodate the fact that things are in fact discernibly different.
yucky 4y ago
I never brought up sex. I asked for some examples of genders that aren't man/woman, and then for a description of how one transitions from one of those to another. Nobody seems prepared to answer that question, yet it is a requirement to define this. Unless the argument really just boil down to "we make shit up as we go and you need to accept it or you're a bigot".
- oneoff786 4y ago
  You are again asserting that someone has to transition to something rather than decide it’s a better descriptor for themselves than another term. Someone may simply feel non binary as a high level and honestly descriptor of their gender. Which is to say that they feel the gender implied by their sex is a bad fit. The existence of some people that take this to extreme labels that seem unlikely to be distinct and noteworthy classifications does not invalidate others who take more moderate steps that are probably genuinely more accurate assessments.

fillippo 4y ago

Well they're not saying anything incorrect there. The concept of gender identity was only invented to try to provide some cover explanation as to why some people want to be the opposite sex. It's a way of legitimizing the whole thing, so e.g. rather than men saying "I want to be a woman", they can lean on this idea of gender identity and say "I am a woman", where "woman" has been redefined as "anyone with a female gender identity". And per the definition of gender identity, a man can be said to have a "female gender identity" if he wants to be a woman. Naturally, this redefinition has turned out to be quite controversial.

oneoff786 4y ago
Every single classification was invented to accommodate the fact that things are in fact discernibly different.

yucky 4y ago

I never brought up sex. I asked for some examples of genders that aren't man/woman, and then for a description of how one transitions from one of those to another. Nobody seems prepared to answer that question, yet it is a requirement to define this. Unless the argument really just boil down to "we make shit up as we go and you need to accept it or you're a bigot".

oneoff786 4y ago
You are again asserting that someone has to transition to something rather than decide it’s a better descriptor for themselves than another term. Someone may simply feel non binary as a high level and honestly descriptor of their gender. Which is to say that they feel the gender implied by their sex is a bad fit. The existence of some people that take this to extreme labels that seem unlikely to be distinct and noteworthy classifications does not invalidate others who take more moderate steps that are probably genuinely more accurate assessments.