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> This is to reduce overnight noise for local residents Presumably this means the beeping of the signal for visually impaired people. Why not just keep the aut

> This is to reduce overnight noise for local residents Presumably this means the beeping of the signal for visually impaired people. Why not just keep the automated walk signals, but only enable the beeping when the button is pressed? This is how it's done in Toronto, and there are highly readable signs at each button stating this.

ehnto 4y ago
They beep intermittently so you can find them to press them in the first place.
- bogantech 4y ago
  The locator beeps are fine but the sound it makes when it is OK to cross would drive you mental if it was going off all night for no reason. As the previous comment states it might be a good idea to simply leave the locator pings but only make the walk sound if the button has been pressed Video of the sound for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0cz1XW9QvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0cz1XW9QvE
  - scaredginger 4y ago
    Yeah, nobody's suggesting having the rapid ticking occur continuously. I have no idea where you got that from
    - bogantech 4y ago
      Not continuously but if the crossings were on a schedule during the night then you would hear it every couple of minutes. Following the rest of the above comments might clear it up but I'll outline the thought process 1: People think it is dumb that they turn off the schedule during the night. 2: It's because the walk signal is going to annoy people if it's going off regularly, especially at an intersection. 3: Of course the locator pings will continue because vision impaired people have to be able to find them, nobody is going to complain about this. They ping whether on schedule or during times you need to press the button. 4: the grandparent comment of mine suggested that the crossing should only make a sound if the button has been pushed. 5: the reply below that says "They beep intermittently so you can find them to press them in the first place." thinking the comment was saying that the comment was talking about the pings and not the walk sound 6: I clarified what they must have been saying including a video for them and anyone who hasn't been to Sydney and might not know what the sounds are 7: you made a snarky comment presumably without understanding any of the context. I hope that clears it up.
kelnos 4y ago
> there are highly readable signs at each button stating this. How do blind people even know about these signs, let alone read them?
- frosted-flakes 4y ago
  Blind people don't necessarily need to read the signs. If they're in a city like Toronto, they already know there are cross walk signals at all major intersections, and these always have buttons, and the buttons are almost always in the same spot (especially with newer signals, where the buttons are mounted on short posts immediately beside the tactile strips, rather than on the main post holding up the overhead signals). If I recall the signs do have Braille text, but even if they didn't it wouldn't really matter, would it? Either way they'll need to push the button.
- SuperQue 4y ago
  Many "blind" people are not 100% blind. Visual impairment is a sliding scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPymLgfXSY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPymLgfXSY

ehnto 4y ago

They beep intermittently so you can find them to press them in the first place.

bogantech 4y ago
The locator beeps are fine but the sound it makes when it is OK to cross would drive you mental if it was going off all night for no reason. As the previous comment states it might be a good idea to simply leave the locator pings but only make the walk sound if the button has been pressed Video of the sound for reference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0cz1XW9QvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0cz1XW9QvE
- scaredginger 4y ago
  Yeah, nobody's suggesting having the rapid ticking occur continuously. I have no idea where you got that from
  - bogantech 4y ago
    Not continuously but if the crossings were on a schedule during the night then you would hear it every couple of minutes. Following the rest of the above comments might clear it up but I'll outline the thought process 1: People think it is dumb that they turn off the schedule during the night. 2: It's because the walk signal is going to annoy people if it's going off regularly, especially at an intersection. 3: Of course the locator pings will continue because vision impaired people have to be able to find them, nobody is going to complain about this. They ping whether on schedule or during times you need to press the button. 4: the grandparent comment of mine suggested that the crossing should only make a sound if the button has been pushed. 5: the reply below that says "They beep intermittently so you can find them to press them in the first place." thinking the comment was saying that the comment was talking about the pings and not the walk sound 6: I clarified what they must have been saying including a video for them and anyone who hasn't been to Sydney and might not know what the sounds are 7: you made a snarky comment presumably without understanding any of the context. I hope that clears it up.

kelnos 4y ago

> there are highly readable signs at each button stating this. How do blind people even know about these signs, let alone read them?

frosted-flakes 4y ago
Blind people don't necessarily need to read the signs. If they're in a city like Toronto, they already know there are cross walk signals at all major intersections, and these always have buttons, and the buttons are almost always in the same spot (especially with newer signals, where the buttons are mounted on short posts immediately beside the tactile strips, rather than on the main post holding up the overhead signals). If I recall the signs do have Braille text, but even if they didn't it wouldn't really matter, would it? Either way they'll need to push the button.
SuperQue 4y ago
Many "blind" people are not 100% blind. Visual impairment is a sliding scale. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPymLgfXSY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdPymLgfXSY