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I don't agree, and you shouldn't force those of us who don't agree to die.

by cultureulterior 4y ago

beebeepka 4y ago
You'd have someone else wipe your ass rather than embrace death? How dignified.
- reaperducer 4y ago
  His choice. Not yours.
  - archsurface 4y ago
    It's a legitimate consideration.
  - Spooky23 4y ago
    It’s funny on HN tonight. We have one thread where a county in rural Tennessee lets houses burn down for want of a $75 free or 0.13% tax increase, because freedom. And here, because freedom, people are advocating for the freedom to pretend death isn’t approaching, at the cost of millions to society.
    - willnonya 4y ago
      How do you equate some people's denial of death with a cost of millions to society rather than as costs to the indovidual?
- pessimizer 4y ago
  - maxbond 4y ago
    That you cannot imagine a reason does not mean they don't have one, or that it is your business.
- stanete 4y ago
  The point of drug discovery to slow down or stop aging is not to keep people in that frail state of life for as long as possible. Instead is to keep people in their 30s for as long as possible. Most research out there is trying to solve aging, not death.
- c1ccccc1 4y ago
  I think the person you're replying to is referring to cryonics (the topic of the original article), which is still illegal in many jurisdictions.
sieabahlpark 4y ago
fotrury 4y ago
You're going to die eventually whether you like it or not. Better to get comfortable with this fact, rather than fight it.
- ggreer 4y ago
  Doesn't that argument prove too much? In the past, people's lives were shorter and more full of misery. Every improvement we've gotten has been due to people rejecting your philosophy. Assuming one can live longer (without being frail and demented) why not? It seems like if most people could choose, they'd prefer to have the mental and physical abilities of a 20-something while living as long as they wanted. Eventually, medical technology will get to the point where that is possible. Why not hasten such a day rather than let more people get old and frail? Yes, people will still eventually die, but living for 300 years in peak condition seems better than the status quo.
  - _c3ag 4y ago
    so do you really prefer society putting effort in very complex labour that is unknown than making people aware of how important is a good diet and exercising often? as the website article typed, there is a long way to tickle trustable keys to preservation, let alone reviving a frozen body, let alone understanding what we have to do to live in peak capacity for 50 years, let alone to live 300… i sincerely prefer public and private money being wasted on improving our ‘short’ lives than MAYBE discovering some esotericism that probably very few people will have access
    - ashwagary 4y ago
      We have 8 billion people, no need for either ors.
      - _c3ag 4y ago
        i mean, is better to have a solid foundation to discover and create things… some people still do not have access to proper nutrition
mrshadowgoose 4y ago
In a hopeless situation, I would not prolong my life. But that would be my choice for myself. I don't get to make that choice for others. Why should you?
- thefounder 4y ago
  The trick is that's hard to know the hopeless situation. Many people get away with cancer so are you ready to deny yourself one more chance to live?
Quarrelsome 4y ago
We all die eventually. This isn't the Sandman Universe [1]. [1] https://majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Sandman133.jpg https://majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Sandman...
- alasdair_ 4y ago
  We all die eventually, so far...
  - Quarrelsome 4y ago
    you'd figure if biology was capable then it would have found a solution by now. But as far as I'm aware immortality isn't a trait of any multi-cellular organism that has ever lived on this rock. I mean maybe we can stick some pipes in a corpse and get it to move around or make a digital echo of a dead personality and have that rattle around inside a robot. However, I feel like we're drifting into wishful thinking if we figure genuine immortality is a going to be a some sort of scientific given.
    - progman32 4y ago
      Consider that death may actually not be as selected against in nature as you seem to imply. An everliving organism would not as easily adapt to a changing environment, if and until a new mechanism of evolution is generated. We may be stuck in a local minima. Nature doesn't have goals. Humans, as far as I can tell, very much do. Put another way. Evolution didn't find a way to get life onto the Moon. Humans did.
    - yreg 4y ago
      >if biology was capable then it would have found a solution by now It did though.[0] There is likely very little evolutionary pressure for immortality, therefore this kind of thing isn't more widespread. If anything, at population level evolution might generally select for the population that produces a new generation and dies quicker. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii
SamBam 4y ago
What a strange statement, who said anything about forcing anyone to do anything? Do you think GP's decision not to focus their work on life extension is forcing you to die?

I don't agree, and you shouldn't force those of us who don't agree to die.

beebeepka 4y ago

You'd have someone else wipe your ass rather than embrace death? How dignified.

reaperducer 4y ago
His choice. Not yours.
- archsurface 4y ago
  It's a legitimate consideration.
- Spooky23 4y ago
  It’s funny on HN tonight. We have one thread where a county in rural Tennessee lets houses burn down for want of a $75 free or 0.13% tax increase, because freedom. And here, because freedom, people are advocating for the freedom to pretend death isn’t approaching, at the cost of millions to society.
  - willnonya 4y ago
    How do you equate some people's denial of death with a cost of millions to society rather than as costs to the indovidual?
pessimizer 4y ago
- maxbond 4y ago
  That you cannot imagine a reason does not mean they don't have one, or that it is your business.
stanete 4y ago
The point of drug discovery to slow down or stop aging is not to keep people in that frail state of life for as long as possible. Instead is to keep people in their 30s for as long as possible. Most research out there is trying to solve aging, not death.
c1ccccc1 4y ago
I think the person you're replying to is referring to cryonics (the topic of the original article), which is still illegal in many jurisdictions.

sieabahlpark 4y ago

fotrury 4y ago

You're going to die eventually whether you like it or not. Better to get comfortable with this fact, rather than fight it.

ggreer 4y ago
Doesn't that argument prove too much? In the past, people's lives were shorter and more full of misery. Every improvement we've gotten has been due to people rejecting your philosophy. Assuming one can live longer (without being frail and demented) why not? It seems like if most people could choose, they'd prefer to have the mental and physical abilities of a 20-something while living as long as they wanted. Eventually, medical technology will get to the point where that is possible. Why not hasten such a day rather than let more people get old and frail? Yes, people will still eventually die, but living for 300 years in peak condition seems better than the status quo.
- _c3ag 4y ago
  so do you really prefer society putting effort in very complex labour that is unknown than making people aware of how important is a good diet and exercising often? as the website article typed, there is a long way to tickle trustable keys to preservation, let alone reviving a frozen body, let alone understanding what we have to do to live in peak capacity for 50 years, let alone to live 300… i sincerely prefer public and private money being wasted on improving our ‘short’ lives than MAYBE discovering some esotericism that probably very few people will have access
  - ashwagary 4y ago
    We have 8 billion people, no need for either ors.
    - _c3ag 4y ago
      i mean, is better to have a solid foundation to discover and create things… some people still do not have access to proper nutrition

mrshadowgoose 4y ago

In a hopeless situation, I would not prolong my life. But that would be my choice for myself. I don't get to make that choice for others. Why should you?

thefounder 4y ago
The trick is that's hard to know the hopeless situation. Many people get away with cancer so are you ready to deny yourself one more chance to live?

Quarrelsome 4y ago

We all die eventually. This isn't the Sandman Universe [1]. [1] https://majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Sandman133.jpg https://majorspoilers.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/Sandman...

alasdair_ 4y ago
We all die eventually, so far...
- Quarrelsome 4y ago
  you'd figure if biology was capable then it would have found a solution by now. But as far as I'm aware immortality isn't a trait of any multi-cellular organism that has ever lived on this rock. I mean maybe we can stick some pipes in a corpse and get it to move around or make a digital echo of a dead personality and have that rattle around inside a robot. However, I feel like we're drifting into wishful thinking if we figure genuine immortality is a going to be a some sort of scientific given.
  - progman32 4y ago
    Consider that death may actually not be as selected against in nature as you seem to imply. An everliving organism would not as easily adapt to a changing environment, if and until a new mechanism of evolution is generated. We may be stuck in a local minima. Nature doesn't have goals. Humans, as far as I can tell, very much do. Put another way. Evolution didn't find a way to get life onto the Moon. Humans did.
  - yreg 4y ago
    >if biology was capable then it would have found a solution by now It did though.[0] There is likely very little evolutionary pressure for immortality, therefore this kind of thing isn't more widespread. If anything, at population level evolution might generally select for the population that produces a new generation and dies quicker. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turritopsis_dohrnii

SamBam 4y ago

What a strange statement, who said anything about forcing anyone to do anything? Do you think GP's decision not to focus their work on life extension is forcing you to die?