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Now factor in the environmental factors of making the batteries and disposing of them, and account for fossil fuels used to generate power. Also factor in the

Now factor in the environmental factors of making the batteries and disposing of them, and account for fossil fuels used to generate power. Also factor in the environmental and safety issues with having huge batteries on wheels, where defects and accidents turn into conflagrations.

alamortsubite 4y ago
Also factor in the health and psychological benefits of walking or riding a bike.
- nibbleshifter 4y ago
  The only journeys I can consider using a car for is ones that walking and biking are not practical for, and that public transit is too unreliable/slow for.
  - alamortsubite 4y ago
    In countries with abysmal pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure, such as the U.S., and often hostile motorists, your list should sadly include journeys that are unsafe without the added protection of a two ton metal cage in the shape of a car or truck. ;)
hedora 4y ago
On average, EVs have better crash safety than internal combustion engine cars. As for embodied carbon from manufacturing, and emissions from power plant production, here's a scatterplot of the available cars: https://www.carboncounter.com/ https://www.carboncounter.com/ Even in coal country, the EVs have much lower total (manufacturing + fuel) carbon emissions by a large margin.
shortcake27 4y ago
> Now factor in the environmental factors of making the batteries and disposing of them, and account for fossil fuels used to generate power. This has been debunked to death. EVs already have a smaller environmental footprint and become more efficient as the grid gets greener. > Also factor in the environmental and safety issues with having huge batteries on wheels, where defects and accidents turn into conflagrations. It could be worse, imagine if vehicles were travelling around with gallons of extremely flammable liquid stored in thin tanks. I mean, ICEs never catch fire, right?
- ok123456 4y ago
  > This has been debunked to death. EVs already have a smaller environmental footprint and become more efficient as the grid gets greener. Oh nice. "Debunked." Does that "debunking" just ignore moving a lot of the environmental factors to the global south where the raw materials are mined and processed? > It could be worse, imagine if vehicles were travelling around with gallons of extremely flammable liquid stored in thin tanks. I mean, ICEs never catch fire, right? To ignite, gasoline and diesel needs to be at the right 2:1 air-fuel ratio and at the right compression. Even holding a match right next to it, it takes effort to get a pool of it to ignite. This is more than can what be said about EV batteries. Chevy EVs are banned from parking at my local airport because of their tendency to self-ignite spontaneously. The average Tesla fire, a common occurrence, takes hours upon hours to put out.

alamortsubite 4y ago

Also factor in the health and psychological benefits of walking or riding a bike.

nibbleshifter 4y ago
The only journeys I can consider using a car for is ones that walking and biking are not practical for, and that public transit is too unreliable/slow for.
- alamortsubite 4y ago
  In countries with abysmal pedestrian and bicycle infrastructure, such as the U.S., and often hostile motorists, your list should sadly include journeys that are unsafe without the added protection of a two ton metal cage in the shape of a car or truck. ;)

hedora 4y ago

On average, EVs have better crash safety than internal combustion engine cars. As for embodied carbon from manufacturing, and emissions from power plant production, here's a scatterplot of the available cars: https://www.carboncounter.com/ https://www.carboncounter.com/ Even in coal country, the EVs have much lower total (manufacturing + fuel) carbon emissions by a large margin.

shortcake27 4y ago

> Now factor in the environmental factors of making the batteries and disposing of them, and account for fossil fuels used to generate power. This has been debunked to death. EVs already have a smaller environmental footprint and become more efficient as the grid gets greener. > Also factor in the environmental and safety issues with having huge batteries on wheels, where defects and accidents turn into conflagrations. It could be worse, imagine if vehicles were travelling around with gallons of extremely flammable liquid stored in thin tanks. I mean, ICEs never catch fire, right?

ok123456 4y ago
> This has been debunked to death. EVs already have a smaller environmental footprint and become more efficient as the grid gets greener. Oh nice. "Debunked." Does that "debunking" just ignore moving a lot of the environmental factors to the global south where the raw materials are mined and processed? > It could be worse, imagine if vehicles were travelling around with gallons of extremely flammable liquid stored in thin tanks. I mean, ICEs never catch fire, right? To ignite, gasoline and diesel needs to be at the right 2:1 air-fuel ratio and at the right compression. Even holding a match right next to it, it takes effort to get a pool of it to ignite. This is more than can what be said about EV batteries. Chevy EVs are banned from parking at my local airport because of their tendency to self-ignite spontaneously. The average Tesla fire, a common occurrence, takes hours upon hours to put out.