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Before ChatGPT, there has been criticism education as we know it today. The notion of “education” has not always been about training, and putting someone in a h

by hosh 4y ago

Before ChatGPT, there has been criticism education as we know it today. The notion of “education” has not always been about training, and putting someone in a hypothetical situation and grading progress — indeed, the measurement of progress itself — is not present in all notions of education, or all methods of learning, or even all systems of determination of truth (epistemology). Behavioral conditioning with reward incentives are also not the only method in education. One of the interesting voices about this John Taylor Gatto. Mainstream methods of “training” as you described them, may indeed be the most common method today, but it is by no means the most effective, and Gatto goes into detail about it in his book, _The Underground History of American Education_. For example, an older notion of education is not so much to train people to mechanically repeat results (like you would train people in a factory), but rather, to develop informed and educated citizens that are able to reason, think critically, and participate meaningfully in a republic. There’s little point in having a voting body of citizens unable to think for themselves, and are merely regurgitating ideas they hear.

mrtksn 4y ago
Well that's a strawman argument right there. Obviously by training I don't mean perfecting repetitive tasks or anything of that sort. If that was the case, I would have advocating on training prompts or fast typing or something of that sort. You can check my other replies in this thread to understand better.
- hosh 4y ago
  I said a lot more than that, namely that there are other notions of education than what you are describing: - That there is some outside agent that observes progress and "improves" someone - That such progress can be quantified, and comparable - That such measurement is the only way to acertain the truth of progress. - That there is such a thing as an universal standard by which someone needs to be educated - That the purpose of education is to produce productive members of society - That a person starts education as a "blank slate", ready to be filled by what the teacher is teaching - That the capacity to learn and the potential to be educated is fixed, and therefore, some should be selected for even further education - That learning only happens when there's an outside agent educating the person There are so many problematic things with this frame, even if it is fairly mainstream.

by hosh 4y ago

mrtksn 4y ago

Well that's a strawman argument right there. Obviously by training I don't mean perfecting repetitive tasks or anything of that sort. If that was the case, I would have advocating on training prompts or fast typing or something of that sort. You can check my other replies in this thread to understand better.

hosh 4y ago
I said a lot more than that, namely that there are other notions of education than what you are describing: - That there is some outside agent that observes progress and "improves" someone - That such progress can be quantified, and comparable - That such measurement is the only way to acertain the truth of progress. - That there is such a thing as an universal standard by which someone needs to be educated - That the purpose of education is to produce productive members of society - That a person starts education as a "blank slate", ready to be filled by what the teacher is teaching - That the capacity to learn and the potential to be educated is fixed, and therefore, some should be selected for even further education - That learning only happens when there's an outside agent educating the person There are so many problematic things with this frame, even if it is fairly mainstream.