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This is a nonsense argument. Yes, of course random walks are a thing. But that doesn't mean that skill isn't also a thing. In an adversarial, high stakes game
by nl 4y ago
This is a nonsense argument.
Yes, of course random walks are a thing. But that doesn't mean that skill isn't also a thing.
In an adversarial, high stakes game where there can be only one winner (like sports, but unlike the stock market where there can be multiple winners) differences in skill show up in statistics well.
There are techniques like true score theory[1] that separate skill from luck by looking at variation (which is essentially a way of looking at reversion to mean as I mentioned earlier).
Sustained performance over time when looking at skill-based statistics in sport (eg, passes completed in soccer) is not something where a random walk applies.
> I'm not saying it directly applies here, but it's a caveat worth mentioning.
No, it's not. It's worth mentioning why it doesn't apply here, but by just mentioning it you imply (incorrectly) that it does, which is both misleading an wrong.
[1] https://conjointly.com/kb/true-score-theory/ https://conjointly.com/kb/true-score-theory/
- axiom92 4y agoThe true score theory is trying to decompose an outcome into true ability and random error. My example was about the random error (which definitely applies to sports, I'm not sure why you think it doesn't). I never ruled out the skill/ability. It's interesting that you are objecting to my argument by referring to the true score theory, which quite literally provides a caveat to attributing skills to the observed outcomes. > you imply (incorrectly) that it does Of course it does because sports outcome are random. Randomness is not the only factor, but it certainly is one.