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> A contractor posts some of these photos to a private Facebook group used by other contractors on the project. That's where it went wrong. Everything else s

> A contractor posts some of these photos to a private Facebook group used by other contractors on the project. That's where it went wrong. Everything else seems reasonable for a visual AI training project, well signalled to the participating users and the data securely communicated. Thereafter, the data was mismanaged. There is clearly no such things as a "private" Facebook group. So called "contractors" [1] using a disservice like Facebook to communicate beggars belief. [1] people with the unremarkable skill of being able to spot ordinary household objects and label them - so someone probably had the bright idea of creating a CAPTCHA "Find all the women on toilets".

autoexec 4y ago
> Thereafter, the data was mismanaged. And this is the problem with most of the technology spying on us. Once the data is in someone else's hands, there is nothing you can do to prevent it from being "mismanaged". It can exist forever and you aren't allowed to know who has it or what they're doing with it. Bugging your own home with any device designed to spy on you is just a terrible idea and I'm amazed at how many people are oblivious to the harm they risk bringing on themselves and everyone else around them.
TeMPOraL 4y ago
Private Facebook group, free tier Slack, a Zoom meeting, free Google Drive. I fail to see the difference. All of these are reputable, popular SaaS applications, widely used to collaborate at work. All of these are equally trustworthy (read: not that much), and give you the same privacy guarantees. Using either in a company setting without a contract in hand is unwise, IMO, but that ship has sailed long ago. GP is correct. #2 is bad, but not significant. #3 is the bigger violation here.
- nonrandomstring 4y ago
  > Private Facebook group, free tier Slack, a Zoom meeting, free Google Drive. I fail to see the difference. You didn't fail. Because there isn't one. > All of these are reputable, popular SaaS applications, widely used to collaborate at work. As you admit yourself; "these are equally trustworthy (read: not that much)" If you fail, it is to believe that careful reputation management and widespread use of substandard tools makes them acceptable.

autoexec 4y ago

> Thereafter, the data was mismanaged. And this is the problem with most of the technology spying on us. Once the data is in someone else's hands, there is nothing you can do to prevent it from being "mismanaged". It can exist forever and you aren't allowed to know who has it or what they're doing with it. Bugging your own home with any device designed to spy on you is just a terrible idea and I'm amazed at how many people are oblivious to the harm they risk bringing on themselves and everyone else around them.

TeMPOraL 4y ago

Private Facebook group, free tier Slack, a Zoom meeting, free Google Drive. I fail to see the difference. All of these are reputable, popular SaaS applications, widely used to collaborate at work. All of these are equally trustworthy (read: not that much), and give you the same privacy guarantees. Using either in a company setting without a contract in hand is unwise, IMO, but that ship has sailed long ago. GP is correct. #2 is bad, but not significant. #3 is the bigger violation here.

nonrandomstring 4y ago
> Private Facebook group, free tier Slack, a Zoom meeting, free Google Drive. I fail to see the difference. You didn't fail. Because there isn't one. > All of these are reputable, popular SaaS applications, widely used to collaborate at work. As you admit yourself; "these are equally trustworthy (read: not that much)" If you fail, it is to believe that careful reputation management and widespread use of substandard tools makes them acceptable.