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> civil liberties (I'm not talking the ability to not take certain vaccines), I'm talking about religious freedom Interesting framing. I would have thought t

> civil liberties (I'm not talking the ability to not take certain vaccines), I'm talking about religious freedom Interesting framing. I would have thought the ability to control what goes into a person's body, ie bodily autonomy would have far outweigh religious freedom. If I had to give one up, and I don't think anyone should have to give up either, I would give up religious freedom long before having to give up control over my own body. I guess that goes hand in hand with the abortion debate, you're either in the religious freedoms camp or the bodily autonomy camp. it's good to see there are other's who think the opposite. I appreciate the differing opinion.

anikom15 4y ago
Considering the most popular religions fundamentally reject bodily autonomy, it shouldn’t be a surprise.
dbfx 4y ago
He is probably trying to stop the inevitable derailment once someone mentions(or believes is referring to) vaccines in any way that is not unequivocal and blind support.
- chollida1 4y ago
  Ah, that makes sense. Appreciate your help!!
hudon 4y ago
> you're either in the religious freedoms camp or the bodily autonomy camp An abortion kills a baby by directly attacking his or her body (dismemberment, lethal injection, etc.). You can firmly be in the bodily autonomy camp and in the religious freedoms camp at the same time.
- cpgxiii 4y ago
  You can't claim to be in the "bodily autonomy" camp and believe in compelling actual living people to use their bodies to carry a fetus to term.
  - svieira 4y ago
    Either there is some higher principle at play which regulates bodily autonomy or else I can punch anyone who shakes my hand in a way I don't like the moment I don't like it. If there is a principle that requires that I not punch the wet-fish handshaker that principle (or some other one) might require that I care for a child for longer than I would like to.
  - lolinder 4y ago
    If you believe in fetal personhood, you absolutely can. At that point it's a question of whose body autonomy gets precedence, not of whether body autonomy is important.
klyrs 4y ago
Freedom from religion is a prerequisite for bodily autonomy, for at least half of us.

anikom15 4y ago

Considering the most popular religions fundamentally reject bodily autonomy, it shouldn’t be a surprise.

dbfx 4y ago

He is probably trying to stop the inevitable derailment once someone mentions(or believes is referring to) vaccines in any way that is not unequivocal and blind support.

chollida1 4y ago
Ah, that makes sense. Appreciate your help!!

hudon 4y ago

> you're either in the religious freedoms camp or the bodily autonomy camp An abortion kills a baby by directly attacking his or her body (dismemberment, lethal injection, etc.). You can firmly be in the bodily autonomy camp and in the religious freedoms camp at the same time.

cpgxiii 4y ago
You can't claim to be in the "bodily autonomy" camp and believe in compelling actual living people to use their bodies to carry a fetus to term.
- svieira 4y ago
  Either there is some higher principle at play which regulates bodily autonomy or else I can punch anyone who shakes my hand in a way I don't like the moment I don't like it. If there is a principle that requires that I not punch the wet-fish handshaker that principle (or some other one) might require that I care for a child for longer than I would like to.
- lolinder 4y ago
  If you believe in fetal personhood, you absolutely can. At that point it's a question of whose body autonomy gets precedence, not of whether body autonomy is important.

klyrs 4y ago

Freedom from religion is a prerequisite for bodily autonomy, for at least half of us.