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I agree with everything in your comment. I think Zuck is impatient. He wants to skip the gaming stages of the VR evolution. Yet VR must be a huge gaming succe

by bni 4y ago

I agree with everything in your comment. I think Zuck is impatient. He wants to skip the gaming stages of the VR evolution. Yet VR must be a huge gaming success before something like a social network in VR can happen. Quest 2 and Rift before it is almost that, but still a large part of gaming fans remain unconvinced. But that is surely possible to solve. We are at the Doom/Quake stage and he wants to skip WoW, Fortnite and get directly to what comes after that by building the equivalent of VRML or Second Life. Its too early. Also AR is a distraction, not possible to do well with tech existing today, if ever.

SideQuark 4y ago
>He wants to skip the gaming stages of the VR evolution You don't need a gaming stage to make it useful any more than you needed a gaming stage of face to face video conferencing to make FaceTime and Zoom and the like extremely useful. The proper plan is to try to get many use cases working, and try to solve technical problems for each, until one of them meet in a useful product or solution. Claiming it has to be a certain way will miss quicker and possibly much more fruitful cases.
- zemvpferreira 4y ago
  But here's the thing: no group but gamers is excited enough about VR to even be a candidate for a market right now. The only people who want to strap goggles to their face are those looking for gaming experiences. Why try to dodge that reality?
  - SideQuark 4y ago
    There is massive interest in the business markets, and their size dwarfs gaming. The best selling gaming platform in history was playstation 2 with ~150M sold. Zoom has 300M users daily. Other business platforms add hundreds of millions more users. The business hardware for conference rooms stuff is massivley bigger than games. And all the players in this hardware, from Logitech, to Bose, are all working towards this too. Gaming is a small market compared to what companies are trying to do with this space. Disrupting the having to fly far for a meeting when one could get the same experience is such a bigger, likely easier to satisfy, market, makes gaming become an afterthought. Or you can listen to the Zuckerberg interview with Lex Fridman where he states Why try to dodge that reality?
    - ljw1001 4y ago
      What’s your evidence for massive interest in business markets? I use a quest for gaming, but find the idea of interacting with colleagues for corporate stuff to be just hideous.
      - SideQuark 4y ago
        I listed one good place for evidence - Zuckerberg's interview. I also have done consulting on such projects for a few of the players. All the big players have extensive groups working on this. For example: Microsoft has bought AR and VR companies and rolled the tech into Teams, and their many AR/VR projects have been business (and military) directed for a long time. NVidia has the Omniverse for 3d content creation and sharing (among other projects). As far bas as 2016 there were 200_ companies working in this space, including Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Google, MS, Sony - and they are not simply trying to make game goggles. A simple google for this should make it clear to you that the game angle is a tiny slice of what is being pursued, since the game market is tiny compared to the broader uses. There are already uses for telemedicine, virtual meetings, virtual site inspections, remote education, military, training, flight simulators, geography uses, dangerous environment uses, prototyping, broader healthcare, engineering, music and other events (concerts and other things have been held on various platforms). Digital twin creation and inspection are huge business use cases for all of industry and DoD, with billions a year currently being spent on development of the tech. >but [I] find the idea of interacting with colleagues Your experience is not what will drive the industry - and the entire point is to make it seamless. And the uses for AR/VR is so vastly larger than gaming or you in a business meeting that it should be clear that gaming is a tiny slice of the possibilities, and is demonstrably a tiny slice of all the major players working on VR/AR projects and products. For a tiny intro, start here [1] and chase down links. Or simply look at any of the big companies I listed and search for their AR/VR work - the majority of work is not for gaming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_augmented_reality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_augmented_reality
- lozenge 4y ago
  I'm not buying a $800 device to immersively Zoom. However, people pour hundreds into devices to play video games all the time.
- rowanG077 4y ago
  VR is so far out of the norm for most people that you need a vehicle to introduce that into society. Gaming happens to fit that bill for VR.

by bni 4y ago

SideQuark 4y ago

>He wants to skip the gaming stages of the VR evolution You don't need a gaming stage to make it useful any more than you needed a gaming stage of face to face video conferencing to make FaceTime and Zoom and the like extremely useful. The proper plan is to try to get many use cases working, and try to solve technical problems for each, until one of them meet in a useful product or solution. Claiming it has to be a certain way will miss quicker and possibly much more fruitful cases.

zemvpferreira 4y ago
But here's the thing: no group but gamers is excited enough about VR to even be a candidate for a market right now. The only people who want to strap goggles to their face are those looking for gaming experiences. Why try to dodge that reality?
- SideQuark 4y ago
  There is massive interest in the business markets, and their size dwarfs gaming. The best selling gaming platform in history was playstation 2 with ~150M sold. Zoom has 300M users daily. Other business platforms add hundreds of millions more users. The business hardware for conference rooms stuff is massivley bigger than games. And all the players in this hardware, from Logitech, to Bose, are all working towards this too. Gaming is a small market compared to what companies are trying to do with this space. Disrupting the having to fly far for a meeting when one could get the same experience is such a bigger, likely easier to satisfy, market, makes gaming become an afterthought. Or you can listen to the Zuckerberg interview with Lex Fridman where he states Why try to dodge that reality?
  - ljw1001 4y ago
    What’s your evidence for massive interest in business markets? I use a quest for gaming, but find the idea of interacting with colleagues for corporate stuff to be just hideous.
    - SideQuark 4y ago
      I listed one good place for evidence - Zuckerberg's interview. I also have done consulting on such projects for a few of the players. All the big players have extensive groups working on this. For example: Microsoft has bought AR and VR companies and rolled the tech into Teams, and their many AR/VR projects have been business (and military) directed for a long time. NVidia has the Omniverse for 3d content creation and sharing (among other projects). As far bas as 2016 there were 200_ companies working in this space, including Amazon, Apple, Facebook, Google, MS, Sony - and they are not simply trying to make game goggles. A simple google for this should make it clear to you that the game angle is a tiny slice of what is being pursued, since the game market is tiny compared to the broader uses. There are already uses for telemedicine, virtual meetings, virtual site inspections, remote education, military, training, flight simulators, geography uses, dangerous environment uses, prototyping, broader healthcare, engineering, music and other events (concerts and other things have been held on various platforms). Digital twin creation and inspection are huge business use cases for all of industry and DoD, with billions a year currently being spent on development of the tech. >but [I] find the idea of interacting with colleagues Your experience is not what will drive the industry - and the entire point is to make it seamless. And the uses for AR/VR is so vastly larger than gaming or you in a business meeting that it should be clear that gaming is a tiny slice of the possibilities, and is demonstrably a tiny slice of all the major players working on VR/AR projects and products. For a tiny intro, start here [1] and chase down links. Or simply look at any of the big companies I listed and search for their AR/VR work - the majority of work is not for gaming. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_augmented_reality https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commercial_augmented_reality
lozenge 4y ago
I'm not buying a $800 device to immersively Zoom. However, people pour hundreds into devices to play video games all the time.
rowanG077 4y ago
VR is so far out of the norm for most people that you need a vehicle to introduce that into society. Gaming happens to fit that bill for VR.