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My country is cracking down on civil liberties (I'm not talking the ability to not take certain vaccines), I'm talking about religious freedom among other thing
by arch1e 4y ago
My country is cracking down on civil liberties (I'm not talking the ability to not take certain vaccines), I'm talking about religious freedom among other things and crypto like XMR gives me a way to make sure I am able to buy stuff like Mullvad VPN (again for privacy) without going through a centralized payment processor. This is just one instance though, I even get domains from njall.la now with XMR/crypto and enjoy a lot of privacy benefits (coming from godaddy)
- m00dy 4y agoyou are not alone...
- okasaki 4y agoAh ok, the use case is breaking the law.
- brookst 4y agoI read it as maintaining privacy while doing legal things that a corrupt government might punish despite their legality. What led you to think laws are being broken in those scenarios?
- keyme 4y agoYes. Or, in other words, maintaining morality despite laws.
- andrepd 4y agoYes, it may surprise you that the women in Iran, for instance, are breaking the law. And so did the people who founded the USA, in another example. Law ≠ moralityb
- okasaki 4y agoIt's beautiful when people you like doing things you approve of are breaking the law. Let's say someone uses crypto to buy weapons or explosives and your loved one dies in the attack. Are you still going to support it?
- smcn 4y agoThat's quite the response. Are you suggesting that weapons or explosives can only be bought with crypto?
- lmm 4y agoCrypto makes it easier to buy things that are illegal to buy. That's exactly what's being touted as a benefit here. Being outside the law cuts both ways.
- smcn 4y agoCrypto is a new innovation. People have been able to buy prohibited items as far back as there has been prohibited items. Crypto doesn't change anything there. Finding out that somebody used crypto to buy something that harmed your family shouldn't make you dislike crypto. Bad people will get a hold of weapons regardless.
- lmm 4y ago> Crypto is a new innovation. People have been able to buy prohibited items as far back as there has been prohibited items. Crypto doesn't change anything there. If it didn't change anything then by the same token it wouldn't help people in oppressive regimes. > Finding out that somebody used crypto to buy something that harmed your family shouldn't make you dislike crypto. Bad people will get a hold of weapons regardless. Security is always a tradeoff. You can't make it impossible to get hold of weapons, but you can make it harder, and that matters at the margin.
- smcn 4y ago> If it didn't change anything then by the same token it wouldn't help people in oppressive regimes. I said "doesn't change anything there", not "doesn't change anything". > Security is always a tradeoff. You can't make it impossible to get hold of weapons, but you can make it harder, and that matters at the margin. The payment itself is not where these efforts should go to. Transport, manufacturing, advertising. These are all much more fruitful places to look at stopping illegal trade.
- AlexandrB 4y ago> Yes, it may surprise you that the women in Iran, for instance, are breaking the law. And so did the people who founded the USA, in another example. Sure, but plenty of bad actors have broken the law as well - the examples of these are far more numerous. While there are hypothetical moral use cases for crypto, some of the most common actual uses are greed (yield farming, speculation), scams (rug pulls, pump and dumps, wash trading, ransomware), tax evasion, and as currency for contraband like drugs. What ratio of moral to immoral use cases is acceptable to the crypto community? 1:10? 1:100? Or is anything ok as long as someone out there is using it to escape repression?
- mbg721 4y agoThe more frequently breaking the law coincides with good morality, the weaker the law becomes, and the less legitimacy the state holds. That's why setting everything up for selective enforcement is so destructive.
- dnissley 4y agoYes
- andrepd 4y agoIt's pretty telling that Monero, a project with actual utility, underperforms in terms of value/attention compared to pump and dump scams or useless NFTs / tokens.
- pcthrowaway 4y agoYou're comparing its market cap, when that's not that important. People know what Monero is, and it's likely one of the most important cryptos for many people. It's also in a legally tenuous area in many jurisdictions, and therefore perhaps not considered as 'safe' for people who just want to speculate on price. It's still massive, and a 2.6 billion $ market cap is nothing to sneeze at. Not sure why we need to compare everything to the price of other projects in the space. The fact that people inevitably place so much emphasis on 'price' (as denominated in USD of course), is really the most negative consequence of the space.
- chollida1 4y ago> civil liberties (I'm not talking the ability to not take certain vaccines), I'm talking about religious freedom Interesting framing. I would have thought the ability to control what goes into a person's body, ie bodily autonomy would have far outweigh religious freedom. If I had to give one up, and I don't think anyone should have to give up either, I would give up religious freedom long before having to give up control over my own body. I guess that goes hand in hand with the abortion debate, you're either in the religious freedoms camp or the bodily autonomy camp. it's good to see there are other's who think the opposite. I appreciate the differing opinion.
- anikom15 4y agoConsidering the most popular religions fundamentally reject bodily autonomy, it shouldn’t be a surprise.
- dbfx 4y agoHe is probably trying to stop the inevitable derailment once someone mentions(or believes is referring to) vaccines in any way that is not unequivocal and blind support.
- chollida1 4y agoAh, that makes sense. Appreciate your help!!
- hudon 4y ago> you're either in the religious freedoms camp or the bodily autonomy camp An abortion kills a baby by directly attacking his or her body (dismemberment, lethal injection, etc.). You can firmly be in the bodily autonomy camp and in the religious freedoms camp at the same time.
- cpgxiii 4y agoYou can't claim to be in the "bodily autonomy" camp and believe in compelling actual living people to use their bodies to carry a fetus to term.