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by RC_ITR 4y ago

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rayiner 4y ago
> It's level of isolation (both in terms of distance to the next large city and hospitability of the land in between) is similar to Las Vegas. Salt Lake City isn't too far off either. America is huge. Right. The issue isn't so much that "America lets people die because they don't pay." It's that "America gives people the freedom to live in the middle of fucking nowhere, including where a state or local government can't reasonably commit to offering reliable emergency services."
- that_guy_iain 4y ago
  - bloppe 4y ago
    The US operates on a fundamentally different scale from most other countries. It's so big and diverse (in terms of both people and biomes) that the only effective way to organize is heavily federated. Fire laws in California are very different from in Tennessee. There are a few ways to accurately paint Americans in broad strokes, but not many. I'd encourage you to travel around America a bit. Foreigners are often shocked by how nice and helpful people are here. Americans are by far the most financially charitable people in the world [1] but can be famously neighborly in many more ways than that. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_charitable_donation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_charita...
    - lmm 4y ago
      America has the largest amount of recorded donations to their rather stretched legal definition of a "charity". This says a lot more about the American tax code than it does about American generosity. I'd encourage you to travel around the world a bit.
      - RC_ITR 4y ago
        Lmfao. I’d encourage you to really look inward and understand why you’re trying to gatekeeper the definition of charity. What pray tell makes a legitimate charity and why did you get to decide?
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  - RC_ITR 4y ago
    The linked scenario was controversial because this one small town of 2,500 chose to not help (vs. the standard practice of other towns that do help). Then the national outcry from the rest of America caused them to change it. Wherever you're from, I'd love to use a town of 2,500's actions to define the morality of your country... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Fulton,_Tennessee#%22Pay_for_Spray%22_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Fulton,_Tennessee#%22Pay...
  - chinchilla2020 4y ago
    >Every other country has communities that live so far from anyone that they're in trouble if they have a heart attack. But you know what? They still have something. House burning down? The local volunteer fire fighters will help you out. You are revealing your lack of knowledge about the American wilderness simply by stating this. The US is so vast that there are massive swaths of land that you could not get a fire truck to the scene in half a day. It is difficult to imagine such a place if you have spent your life living in a heavily urbanized European country with no actual wilderness (I've seen what Germans and French call 'wilderness' and it is actually a medium-sized park)
    - that_guy_iain 4y ago
      Haha my country literally has people living on islands in the middle of a sea. We still hook them up.
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that_guy_iain 4y ago
- ejb999 4y ago
  >>So is Russia, they don't have these problems. Really, Russia doesn't have any similar problems? You want to rethink that by any chance? because now you are making yourself sound quite ignorant.
  - that_guy_iain 4y ago
    Haha. No. Just because you dislike Russia and you think Russia is completely incompetent doesn't remove the fact they don't have problems of people phoning up for a fire department and not getting help.
Animatronio 4y ago
"America is HUUUGE" comes up everytime someone says anything at all. Too many guns? America is huge. Urban sprawl? America is huge. No trains? America is huge. The US is #4 in terms of total area, behind russia, canada and china, and closely followed by brazil and australia. If the others manage at least some of this stuff, one would imagine that the US can do it at least as well.
- RC_ITR 4y ago
  Do you have any familiarity with those countries and where people live? Do you really think that metrics on quality of life in Krasnoyarsk Krai or Northwest Territories are drastically better than Wyoming? I wont even get started on what life is like in Xinjiang. EDIT: Also, you're saying that Australia, Canada, Russia and Brazil have good train infrastructure? And getting even more pedantic, you're a fan of the trains west of Chengdu?
  - lmm 4y ago
    The trains in Xinjiang compare very favourably with those in the US. The media paints a very one-sided picture of what life is like there; not to defend the CCP's awful actions, but if the way certain communities in St Louis get treated were reported the same way...
    - RC_ITR 4y ago
      >Xinjiang compare very favourably with those in the US https://www.chinahighlights.com/china-trains/urumqi-lanzhou-bullet-train.htm https://www.chinahighlights.com/china-trains/urumqi-lanzhou-... LOL, keep spreading that propaganda comrade!
      - Animatronio 4y ago
        All I was saying was that the easiest argument to shut down a discussion is to invoke the fact that "America is huge". Nothing can be done, bc it's huge, end of story.

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by RC_ITR 4y ago

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> It's level of isolation (both in terms of distance to the next large city and hospitability of the land in between) is similar to Las Vegas. Salt Lake City isn't too far off either. America is huge. Right. The issue isn't so much that "America lets people die because they don't pay." It's that "America gives people the freedom to live in the middle of fucking nowhere, including where a state or local government can't reasonably commit to offering reliable emergency services."

that_guy_iain 4y ago
- bloppe 4y ago
  The US operates on a fundamentally different scale from most other countries. It's so big and diverse (in terms of both people and biomes) that the only effective way to organize is heavily federated. Fire laws in California are very different from in Tennessee. There are a few ways to accurately paint Americans in broad strokes, but not many. I'd encourage you to travel around America a bit. Foreigners are often shocked by how nice and helpful people are here. Americans are by far the most financially charitable people in the world [1] but can be famously neighborly in many more ways than that. [1]: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_charitable_donation https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_charita...
  - lmm 4y ago
    America has the largest amount of recorded donations to their rather stretched legal definition of a "charity". This says a lot more about the American tax code than it does about American generosity. I'd encourage you to travel around the world a bit.
    - RC_ITR 4y ago
      Lmfao. I’d encourage you to really look inward and understand why you’re trying to gatekeeper the definition of charity. What pray tell makes a legitimate charity and why did you get to decide?
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- RC_ITR 4y ago
  The linked scenario was controversial because this one small town of 2,500 chose to not help (vs. the standard practice of other towns that do help). Then the national outcry from the rest of America caused them to change it. Wherever you're from, I'd love to use a town of 2,500's actions to define the morality of your country... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Fulton,_Tennessee#%22Pay_for_Spray%22_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Fulton,_Tennessee#%22Pay...
- chinchilla2020 4y ago
  >Every other country has communities that live so far from anyone that they're in trouble if they have a heart attack. But you know what? They still have something. House burning down? The local volunteer fire fighters will help you out. You are revealing your lack of knowledge about the American wilderness simply by stating this. The US is so vast that there are massive swaths of land that you could not get a fire truck to the scene in half a day. It is difficult to imagine such a place if you have spent your life living in a heavily urbanized European country with no actual wilderness (I've seen what Germans and French call 'wilderness' and it is actually a medium-sized park)
  - that_guy_iain 4y ago
    Haha my country literally has people living on islands in the middle of a sea. We still hook them up.
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that_guy_iain 4y ago

ejb999 4y ago
>>So is Russia, they don't have these problems. Really, Russia doesn't have any similar problems? You want to rethink that by any chance? because now you are making yourself sound quite ignorant.
- that_guy_iain 4y ago
  Haha. No. Just because you dislike Russia and you think Russia is completely incompetent doesn't remove the fact they don't have problems of people phoning up for a fire department and not getting help.

Animatronio 4y ago

"America is HUUUGE" comes up everytime someone says anything at all. Too many guns? America is huge. Urban sprawl? America is huge. No trains? America is huge. The US is #4 in terms of total area, behind russia, canada and china, and closely followed by brazil and australia. If the others manage at least some of this stuff, one would imagine that the US can do it at least as well.

RC_ITR 4y ago
Do you have any familiarity with those countries and where people live? Do you really think that metrics on quality of life in Krasnoyarsk Krai or Northwest Territories are drastically better than Wyoming? I wont even get started on what life is like in Xinjiang. EDIT: Also, you're saying that Australia, Canada, Russia and Brazil have good train infrastructure? And getting even more pedantic, you're a fan of the trains west of Chengdu?
- lmm 4y ago
  The trains in Xinjiang compare very favourably with those in the US. The media paints a very one-sided picture of what life is like there; not to defend the CCP's awful actions, but if the way certain communities in St Louis get treated were reported the same way...
  - RC_ITR 4y ago
    >Xinjiang compare very favourably with those in the US https://www.chinahighlights.com/china-trains/urumqi-lanzhou-bullet-train.htm https://www.chinahighlights.com/china-trains/urumqi-lanzhou-... LOL, keep spreading that propaganda comrade!
    - Animatronio 4y ago
      All I was saying was that the easiest argument to shut down a discussion is to invoke the fact that "America is huge". Nothing can be done, bc it's huge, end of story.