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Really? Email scaled. Internet scaled. Decentralization is scalable. Why doesn't anyone remember how shitty Twitter was when it was growing. Slow and constantl

by mempko 4y ago

Really? Email scaled. Internet scaled. Decentralization is scalable. Why doesn't anyone remember how shitty Twitter was when it was growing. Slow and constantly breaking. Mastodon is working fine even after millions moved to it. Yes, Admins had to scale up, but they did it. I like that I pay my admin. No ads. No bullshit.

rvz 4y ago
> Really? Email scaled. Internet scaled. Decentralization is scalable. I don’t see any normal person self-hosting their own email service. Even if they did, good luck with handling spam. It can only viably scale to hundreds of millions with centralization; hence Gmail, Outlook, etc to reduce / limit the spam issue. Mastodon has the same mistakes as the other federated alternatives and has already proven to be unable to scale more efficiently than Twitter, let alone the ridiculous hurdles to begin using it. We are talking about scaling to hundreds of millions, not ten thousand or a shy hundred thousand and it falls over on a single moderator’s instance.
- radley 4y ago
  > I don’t see any normal person self-hosting their own email service. But email didn't fail as a result. Just as you said, email services popped up. Just give it a little time.
  - rvz 4y ago
    > But email didn't fail as a result. Just as you said, email services popped up. With centralization; hence the spyware, bans and spam prevention which only benefits the big centralized email services like Gmail, Outlook, etc. Email was meant to be used as a decentralized protocol such that one can operate their own email service; but despite many here claiming to run their own, they gave up and many still won't. Even sending an email to a Gmail and Outlook addresses will just fail their spam filter test. So it has been a failure for email without centralizated providers. > Just give it a little time. A 6 year federated experiment is not early days to see that a worse version of Twitter has already failed.
numpad0 4y ago
My primary email addresses are @gmail.com.
- postalrat 4y ago
  Thats your mistake. You can use gmail with your own domain.

by mempko 4y ago

rvz 4y ago

> Really? Email scaled. Internet scaled. Decentralization is scalable. I don’t see any normal person self-hosting their own email service. Even if they did, good luck with handling spam. It can only viably scale to hundreds of millions with centralization; hence Gmail, Outlook, etc to reduce / limit the spam issue. Mastodon has the same mistakes as the other federated alternatives and has already proven to be unable to scale more efficiently than Twitter, let alone the ridiculous hurdles to begin using it. We are talking about scaling to hundreds of millions, not ten thousand or a shy hundred thousand and it falls over on a single moderator’s instance.

radley 4y ago
> I don’t see any normal person self-hosting their own email service. But email didn't fail as a result. Just as you said, email services popped up. Just give it a little time.
- rvz 4y ago
  > But email didn't fail as a result. Just as you said, email services popped up. With centralization; hence the spyware, bans and spam prevention which only benefits the big centralized email services like Gmail, Outlook, etc. Email was meant to be used as a decentralized protocol such that one can operate their own email service; but despite many here claiming to run their own, they gave up and many still won't. Even sending an email to a Gmail and Outlook addresses will just fail their spam filter test. So it has been a failure for email without centralizated providers. > Just give it a little time. A 6 year federated experiment is not early days to see that a worse version of Twitter has already failed.

numpad0 4y ago

My primary email addresses are @gmail.com.

postalrat 4y ago
Thats your mistake. You can use gmail with your own domain.