> What in your mind is a specific example of a concrete system with an emergent property, then? Not sure if you're joking, but the brain (and consciousness/min

> What in your mind is a specific example of a concrete system with an emergent property, then? Not sure if you're joking, but the brain (and consciousness/mind as an emergent phenomenon) is the classic example. Even better, it is what's causing the fundamental problems in this very conversation, due to the inconsistent manner in which it translates terms into meaning (ie: "emergent", "is"), typically not realizing[1] that meaning and reality are similar to the speed of light in that their appearances[2] vary depending upon the frame of reference of the observer. I am fairly optimistic that AI is going to "force humanity's cultural hands" such that we will eventually have to grapple with this long known but rarely discussed phenomenon. Though, I anticipate censorship, propaganda, and consciousness will play heavy roles in such discussions and screw everything up, as is usually the case with fundamentally important ideas. [1] During realtime cognition, regardless of whether substantial abstract knowledge is in the person's possession. [2] And maybe even the things themselves, depending on how (or from where) you look at it - I am still undecided on this.