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I have an i7-2600 (32nm) still in service and it's shocking how well it keeps up with modern tasks. The cheapest current Ryzen you can buy would destroy it ben

I have an i7-2600 (32nm) still in service and it's shocking how well it keeps up with modern tasks. The cheapest current Ryzen you can buy would destroy it benchmarks but you'd never notice day-to-day.

buserror 4y ago
Same here, mine has been running overclocked to 5ghz for about 10 years (?) now and I refused to upgrade it by quite a few "lakes". Sure now it's getting pummeled by hugely multicores newer processors, but for a long time, it was top of the range.
- dehrmann 4y ago
  The #1 reason to upgrade is Microsoft is demanding it for Windows 11. Otherwise, older CPUs with plenty of RAM and an SSD still do great for non-intense workloads.
  - Mistletoe 4y ago
    This is so incredibly lame of Windows. So much e-waste created so that secretaries can use excel and look at their Facebook on Windows 11.
    - PaulHoule 4y ago
      It's not an unreasonable decision for an OS vendor to occasionally say that a certain level of processor is necessary for future versions of the OS. Apple does it with MacOS. I have a 2013 Mac Mini that is going strong except that it doesn't run the latest version of MacOS. The only real problem I had with it is that Safari for a long time didn't support WebP on that version of MacOS which kept me using JPG images for a while. The trouble is that Intel's rollout of the future has been shambolic at best. Potentially revolutionary extensions such as TSX and SGX failed. It is still too early to require AVX-512 which could speed up and reduce power consumption of your web browser since many of Intel's "latest and greatest" client CPUs don't support it. (Don't buy the false claim that AVX-512 is a power pig: sure it will consume a lot of power running at full clock because it is doing a lot of work... AVX-512 helps "atom class" processors quite a bit because it avoids instruction decoding which Intel is bad at.) It's not clear that Microsoft's new line in the sand is going to buy them very much extra functionality for Windows.
      - skelpmargyar 4y ago
        The problem is they haven't added anything significantly new to Windows 11. I don't see any features that requires new processor features.
  - toast0 4y ago
    > The #1 reason to upgrade is Microsoft is demanding it for Windows 11. Isn't that also the #1 reason not to upgrade? In other words, is Windows 11 compelling yet? As of now, mostly I just hear complaints, and ocassionally tidbits about better scheduling for newer chips with multiple core types (which is compelling, but only if you upgraded)
    - smolder 4y ago
      No, Windows 11 is not compelling. MS is trying to be a worse apple, and doing a great job at it.
    - jerrygenser 4y ago
      WSL 2 is significantly better on Windows 11 than Windows 10. If you do remote development on WSL, it's worth upgrading to Windows 11 purely for the ability to get the wsl2 improvements.
      - frio 4y ago
        Those have all (including WSLg) recently been completely backported to and made available on Windows 10 (https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/the-windows-subsystem-for-linux-in-the-microsoft-store-is-now-generally-available-on-windows-10-and-11/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/the-windows-subsy...).
- Arrath 4y ago
  Same here, I relatively recently* upgraded from my OC'd first gen i7, that thing was great for a very long time. *Good lord, has it been 3 years already?
jerrygenser 4y ago
Interesting, because when I upgraded from a Ryzen 3000 series to a Ryzen 7000 series, I experienced significant speedups in various tasks: - Compiling code - Running multiple services in docker containers for local development that are a mix of cpu and io bound Whenever I use an older laptop I have that is on intel i7, 8th gen, these tasks are much much slower. I think it really depends on your workload.
- WaxProlix 4y ago
  For sure. I moved from setup with an i7-6700k and a gtx 1070 to one with a 5900x and an rx 6900xt, and in games the upgrade wasn't really as strong as you might expect. Code compilation, hashing, rendering were all markedly faster though. That old PC became a perfectly serviceable hand me down after 5 years of service, and I hope to get another 5 out of this rig. Pretty cool that we're seeing longevity and some progress at the same time.
- duffyjp 4y ago
  Oh, absolutely for what you describe newer chips are going to make a huge difference. The system I'm describing is used by my wife for Steam games, remote desktop, media consumption etc. My work laptop is an M1 Max and personal laptop an ancient i5 Macbook. I had it upstairs recently and thought I'd do a little coding but gave up after a single `brew install whatever` was still going after 20 minutes and I lost my motivation...
- kristianp 4y ago
  The i7-2600 is a desktop part though, they stand up pretty well.
Rebelgecko 4y ago
I'm rocking an i5-4670k with a mild overclock, and I'm just getting to the point where it's starting to bottleneck my framerate in games (the new MS Flight Sim was the straw that broke the camel's back)
- duffyjp 4y ago
  It's probably a silly thing to do, but if you can pickup a 4770K or Xeon 1281v3 for the price of a pizza I bet you could get a a bit more life out of your machine. More cache and hyperthreading always helps. I had a 1271v3 in my son's PC until the motherboard died earlier this year and it was still quite beefy.
bryanlarsen 4y ago
Rocking an i5-2500 myself. We timed that purchase perfectly. Prior to our Sandy Bridge each new generation improved performance by ~25%. Subsequently, each new Intel generation improved by ~10%. There have been a lot of 10%'s in the meantime, though...

buserror 4y ago

Same here, mine has been running overclocked to 5ghz for about 10 years (?) now and I refused to upgrade it by quite a few "lakes". Sure now it's getting pummeled by hugely multicores newer processors, but for a long time, it was top of the range.

dehrmann 4y ago
The #1 reason to upgrade is Microsoft is demanding it for Windows 11. Otherwise, older CPUs with plenty of RAM and an SSD still do great for non-intense workloads.
- Mistletoe 4y ago
  This is so incredibly lame of Windows. So much e-waste created so that secretaries can use excel and look at their Facebook on Windows 11.
  - PaulHoule 4y ago
    It's not an unreasonable decision for an OS vendor to occasionally say that a certain level of processor is necessary for future versions of the OS. Apple does it with MacOS. I have a 2013 Mac Mini that is going strong except that it doesn't run the latest version of MacOS. The only real problem I had with it is that Safari for a long time didn't support WebP on that version of MacOS which kept me using JPG images for a while. The trouble is that Intel's rollout of the future has been shambolic at best. Potentially revolutionary extensions such as TSX and SGX failed. It is still too early to require AVX-512 which could speed up and reduce power consumption of your web browser since many of Intel's "latest and greatest" client CPUs don't support it. (Don't buy the false claim that AVX-512 is a power pig: sure it will consume a lot of power running at full clock because it is doing a lot of work... AVX-512 helps "atom class" processors quite a bit because it avoids instruction decoding which Intel is bad at.) It's not clear that Microsoft's new line in the sand is going to buy them very much extra functionality for Windows.
    - skelpmargyar 4y ago
      The problem is they haven't added anything significantly new to Windows 11. I don't see any features that requires new processor features.
- toast0 4y ago
  > The #1 reason to upgrade is Microsoft is demanding it for Windows 11. Isn't that also the #1 reason not to upgrade? In other words, is Windows 11 compelling yet? As of now, mostly I just hear complaints, and ocassionally tidbits about better scheduling for newer chips with multiple core types (which is compelling, but only if you upgraded)
  - smolder 4y ago
    No, Windows 11 is not compelling. MS is trying to be a worse apple, and doing a great job at it.
  - jerrygenser 4y ago
    WSL 2 is significantly better on Windows 11 than Windows 10. If you do remote development on WSL, it's worth upgrading to Windows 11 purely for the ability to get the wsl2 improvements.
    - frio 4y ago
      Those have all (including WSLg) recently been completely backported to and made available on Windows 10 (https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/the-windows-subsystem-for-linux-in-the-microsoft-store-is-now-generally-available-on-windows-10-and-11/ https://devblogs.microsoft.com/commandline/the-windows-subsy...).
Arrath 4y ago
Same here, I relatively recently* upgraded from my OC'd first gen i7, that thing was great for a very long time. *Good lord, has it been 3 years already?

jerrygenser 4y ago

Interesting, because when I upgraded from a Ryzen 3000 series to a Ryzen 7000 series, I experienced significant speedups in various tasks: - Compiling code - Running multiple services in docker containers for local development that are a mix of cpu and io bound Whenever I use an older laptop I have that is on intel i7, 8th gen, these tasks are much much slower. I think it really depends on your workload.

WaxProlix 4y ago
For sure. I moved from setup with an i7-6700k and a gtx 1070 to one with a 5900x and an rx 6900xt, and in games the upgrade wasn't really as strong as you might expect. Code compilation, hashing, rendering were all markedly faster though. That old PC became a perfectly serviceable hand me down after 5 years of service, and I hope to get another 5 out of this rig. Pretty cool that we're seeing longevity and some progress at the same time.
duffyjp 4y ago
Oh, absolutely for what you describe newer chips are going to make a huge difference. The system I'm describing is used by my wife for Steam games, remote desktop, media consumption etc. My work laptop is an M1 Max and personal laptop an ancient i5 Macbook. I had it upstairs recently and thought I'd do a little coding but gave up after a single `brew install whatever` was still going after 20 minutes and I lost my motivation...
kristianp 4y ago
The i7-2600 is a desktop part though, they stand up pretty well.

Rebelgecko 4y ago

I'm rocking an i5-4670k with a mild overclock, and I'm just getting to the point where it's starting to bottleneck my framerate in games (the new MS Flight Sim was the straw that broke the camel's back)

duffyjp 4y ago
It's probably a silly thing to do, but if you can pickup a 4770K or Xeon 1281v3 for the price of a pizza I bet you could get a a bit more life out of your machine. More cache and hyperthreading always helps. I had a 1271v3 in my son's PC until the motherboard died earlier this year and it was still quite beefy.

bryanlarsen 4y ago

Rocking an i5-2500 myself. We timed that purchase perfectly. Prior to our Sandy Bridge each new generation improved performance by ~25%. Subsequently, each new Intel generation improved by ~10%. There have been a lot of 10%'s in the meantime, though...