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HN users love apple though. Something which will never cease to mystify me. You would think relatively tech savvy people, programmers and computer super-users w

HN users love apple though. Something which will never cease to mystify me. You would think relatively tech savvy people, programmers and computer super-users would utterly detest apple with a burning passion.

alphabettsy 4y ago
Why should I detest things that usually serve their intended purpose really well? I actually like macOS on my MacBook Pro, I don’t have to tinker with it to keep it working like my Linux desktop. I’ve been frustrated with iOS but I originally switched because I was tired of my phone being randomly off or otherwise having some unexpected behavior causing it to be unreliable. I can understand why other people prefer Windows, Linux or Android. How can it be mystifying why some might prefer macOS or iOS?
- everyone 4y ago
  I'll explain my POV. Getting Linux setup the way u want is work, but at least you can set it up the way you want. With macOS for example there are plenty of things that should be trivial do to on a computer that are made impossible or extremely difficult because the bean counters at apple want it that way. That type of thing is just an affront to me. Another way of putting it would be macos is designed to do what apple wants the user to do, not what the user wants to do with their own machine. The only thing holding back Linux is the a amount of money and development being put into it, real technical issues. The people developing Linux are doing everything they can to empower their users and let them do as much as possible with their own machines. The developers at apple are intentionally hobbling their machines so they align better with the corps agendas. I could probably survive and do my job on apple. But its the principle of it. These corps are just so slimy and unethical. I would feel dirty, and the artificial restrictions would constantly piss me off. An honest error or bug is much more palatable.
  - alphabettsy 4y ago
    And that’s fine. For my needs, I can’t think of anything my Linux desktop does that my Mac cannot. Why is it so hard, to the point of being mystifying, to understand that others have a different opinion?
    - everyone 4y ago
      Your attitude is reasonable for non computer expert. Not someone who has to work with computers every day. It's mystifying to me to see that attitude in computer experts, programmers etc. It'd be like an expert 5 star chef eating mcdonalds for dinner every day, or an experienced car mechanic using a childs set of tools.
      - alphabettsy 4y ago
        I think car mechanics are the perfect analogy. Most of the ones I know have rather boring daily drivers because they value reliability and don’t always want to be tinkering. They do have very interesting project vehicles though. You’re quite condescending and smug. Maybe you should try to understand why other people might have different priorities than you instead of being judgmental, seeking to understand is generally a good skill.
joelfried 4y ago
I, as a user, want the best user experience I can have. Who else cares more about the user experience and provides a viable alternative? Google goes out of its way to buy and kill products, and even their core product is so bad that I'm often finding myself making fun of how absolutely awful their search results are.[1]. Could I make Android work for me? With time and effort, probably. I'm very short on both of those and now it's not just my personal method of interaction - it's my entire family. So I'm not going to. Just working seamlessly and caring about UX are pretty gigantic. It's not that Apple is that great, it's that all of the alternatives -- like searches on the Amazon catalog these days -- result in a surfeit of garbage. [1] The most recent one I have was my search with the following three terms, no quotes in this order: ssri neuron mechanism. The first hit was a link to a Google Books book titled "Textbook of Rare Sexual Medical Conditions". I got that result last week. I just searched again and was unable to find that result anywhere on the first page today. What happened then that isn't happening now? I couldn't tell you but my email is the only thing I rely on Google for anymore and I'm very seriously considering migrating away from it in 2023 just because I don't trust Google with that most important part of my digital identity any longer.

alphabettsy 4y ago

Why should I detest things that usually serve their intended purpose really well? I actually like macOS on my MacBook Pro, I don’t have to tinker with it to keep it working like my Linux desktop. I’ve been frustrated with iOS but I originally switched because I was tired of my phone being randomly off or otherwise having some unexpected behavior causing it to be unreliable. I can understand why other people prefer Windows, Linux or Android. How can it be mystifying why some might prefer macOS or iOS?

everyone 4y ago
I'll explain my POV. Getting Linux setup the way u want is work, but at least you can set it up the way you want. With macOS for example there are plenty of things that should be trivial do to on a computer that are made impossible or extremely difficult because the bean counters at apple want it that way. That type of thing is just an affront to me. Another way of putting it would be macos is designed to do what apple wants the user to do, not what the user wants to do with their own machine. The only thing holding back Linux is the a amount of money and development being put into it, real technical issues. The people developing Linux are doing everything they can to empower their users and let them do as much as possible with their own machines. The developers at apple are intentionally hobbling their machines so they align better with the corps agendas. I could probably survive and do my job on apple. But its the principle of it. These corps are just so slimy and unethical. I would feel dirty, and the artificial restrictions would constantly piss me off. An honest error or bug is much more palatable.
- alphabettsy 4y ago
  And that’s fine. For my needs, I can’t think of anything my Linux desktop does that my Mac cannot. Why is it so hard, to the point of being mystifying, to understand that others have a different opinion?
  - everyone 4y ago
    Your attitude is reasonable for non computer expert. Not someone who has to work with computers every day. It's mystifying to me to see that attitude in computer experts, programmers etc. It'd be like an expert 5 star chef eating mcdonalds for dinner every day, or an experienced car mechanic using a childs set of tools.
    - alphabettsy 4y ago
      I think car mechanics are the perfect analogy. Most of the ones I know have rather boring daily drivers because they value reliability and don’t always want to be tinkering. They do have very interesting project vehicles though. You’re quite condescending and smug. Maybe you should try to understand why other people might have different priorities than you instead of being judgmental, seeking to understand is generally a good skill.

joelfried 4y ago

I, as a user, want the best user experience I can have. Who else cares more about the user experience and provides a viable alternative? Google goes out of its way to buy and kill products, and even their core product is so bad that I'm often finding myself making fun of how absolutely awful their search results are.[1]. Could I make Android work for me? With time and effort, probably. I'm very short on both of those and now it's not just my personal method of interaction - it's my entire family. So I'm not going to. Just working seamlessly and caring about UX are pretty gigantic. It's not that Apple is that great, it's that all of the alternatives -- like searches on the Amazon catalog these days -- result in a surfeit of garbage. [1] The most recent one I have was my search with the following three terms, no quotes in this order: ssri neuron mechanism. The first hit was a link to a Google Books book titled "Textbook of Rare Sexual Medical Conditions". I got that result last week. I just searched again and was unable to find that result anywhere on the first page today. What happened then that isn't happening now? I couldn't tell you but my email is the only thing I rely on Google for anymore and I'm very seriously considering migrating away from it in 2023 just because I don't trust Google with that most important part of my digital identity any longer.