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> So voice chat must now be turned off by default for all children across America? Should everyone playing a game be required to upload ID? And what is the gate

> So voice chat must now be turned off by default for all children across America? Should everyone playing a game be required to upload ID? And what is the gate between on and off by default? A single button press? When you go to the shop to buy alcohol you need to show an id. So, adults are free to buy alcohol but not children. Why is this any different? I understand that the problem comes from the amount of chat abuse in on-line communities. It not just swearing but the constant harrasement as soon as someone is losing a match, or even if they are winning. I understand your concerns, but ignoring the chat problem paints a partial picture of the situation.

stevehawk 4y ago
what was "the chat problem" ?
- Spivak 4y ago
  The fact that online gaming chat is really really toxic. It's one of those things where christian mothers were right about video games but wrong about why. It turns out that artificial violence and guns and sex aren't some big corrupting influence but hanging around assholes for the majority of your leisure time and social activity absolutely is. Online gaming where the only communication between players is jumping and canned voice lines is a wildly different experience.
  - mardifoufs 4y ago
    Or maybe this is exactly the same as those christian mothers, in the sense that it's "think of the children" hysteria from modern day puritans?
    - Spivak 4y ago
      Oh no, it's "this shit is bad for absolutely everyone regardless of age and in some cases worse for adults, particularly young men, but it's politically infeasible to do anything to stop it once people turn 18."
    - ThisNameNotUsed 4y ago
      - mardifoufs 4y ago
        I get what you are saying, but I was more talking about the weird "it's different when we do it" that I got from the comment I was replying to. It's weird to distance yourself from that "video games bad" (because it's been mocked to death) craze while using the same arguments and tactics. As for voice chat, I guess it would make sense to put children and minors in age appropriate lobbies? That way they can just talk to each other.
  - stevehawk 4y ago
    The irony is that the people I find to be most toxic in video games are the children. To the point that in a lot of "Looking for Group" Discord channels you see people saying "18+ only".
    - mrguyorama 4y ago
      It's almost like people without fully developed brains don't have very healthy social interactions in a giant soup of similar kids who don't know how to have healthy social interactions and the 4chan-ness of it just encourages being as angry and toxic as possible. It's actually probably the same problem drivers face. When driving, your brain kind of ignores that other normal humans drive the other cars, and therefore you are extremely judgemental of their actions, because you expect them to be perfect. This is why so many people road rage.
  - devmor 4y ago
    I don't share your experience at all. In fact the the majority of online gaming chats I've been in have been relatively enjoyable and low drama. It's generally the ones that have children in them that get toxic - I would guess because children have less developed social filters and act out their negative emotions more readily than adults.
    - hourago 4y ago
      > It's generally the ones that have children in them that get toxic That is the problem. Kids are learning from each other to be harmful and hateful as there is no consequences for that behaviour. In other spaces they will be called out by adults, but game chats become a learning place for the worst behaviours at the same time that this games are rated as "apt for children". Rate them 18+ or kill the chat, it is all about not lying to buyers.
dbfx 4y ago
Somehow that wasn't an issue the last two decades, comparing it to alcohol is absurd, you dont go to the epic cornerstore and talk to the epic fortnite clerk to unlock voice chat. This war on "toxicity" at the expense of basic communication is insane, the match ends and it all supposed harassment ends.
- HDThoreaun 4y ago
  Children in voice chat has been an issue for decades, maybe you just didn't notice?

stevehawk 4y ago

what was "the chat problem" ?

Spivak 4y ago
The fact that online gaming chat is really really toxic. It's one of those things where christian mothers were right about video games but wrong about why. It turns out that artificial violence and guns and sex aren't some big corrupting influence but hanging around assholes for the majority of your leisure time and social activity absolutely is. Online gaming where the only communication between players is jumping and canned voice lines is a wildly different experience.
- mardifoufs 4y ago
  Or maybe this is exactly the same as those christian mothers, in the sense that it's "think of the children" hysteria from modern day puritans?
  - Spivak 4y ago
    Oh no, it's "this shit is bad for absolutely everyone regardless of age and in some cases worse for adults, particularly young men, but it's politically infeasible to do anything to stop it once people turn 18."
  - ThisNameNotUsed 4y ago
    - mardifoufs 4y ago
      I get what you are saying, but I was more talking about the weird "it's different when we do it" that I got from the comment I was replying to. It's weird to distance yourself from that "video games bad" (because it's been mocked to death) craze while using the same arguments and tactics. As for voice chat, I guess it would make sense to put children and minors in age appropriate lobbies? That way they can just talk to each other.
- stevehawk 4y ago
  The irony is that the people I find to be most toxic in video games are the children. To the point that in a lot of "Looking for Group" Discord channels you see people saying "18+ only".
  - mrguyorama 4y ago
    It's almost like people without fully developed brains don't have very healthy social interactions in a giant soup of similar kids who don't know how to have healthy social interactions and the 4chan-ness of it just encourages being as angry and toxic as possible. It's actually probably the same problem drivers face. When driving, your brain kind of ignores that other normal humans drive the other cars, and therefore you are extremely judgemental of their actions, because you expect them to be perfect. This is why so many people road rage.
- devmor 4y ago
  I don't share your experience at all. In fact the the majority of online gaming chats I've been in have been relatively enjoyable and low drama. It's generally the ones that have children in them that get toxic - I would guess because children have less developed social filters and act out their negative emotions more readily than adults.
  - hourago 4y ago
    > It's generally the ones that have children in them that get toxic That is the problem. Kids are learning from each other to be harmful and hateful as there is no consequences for that behaviour. In other spaces they will be called out by adults, but game chats become a learning place for the worst behaviours at the same time that this games are rated as "apt for children". Rate them 18+ or kill the chat, it is all about not lying to buyers.

dbfx 4y ago

Somehow that wasn't an issue the last two decades, comparing it to alcohol is absurd, you dont go to the epic cornerstore and talk to the epic fortnite clerk to unlock voice chat. This war on "toxicity" at the expense of basic communication is insane, the match ends and it all supposed harassment ends.

HDThoreaun 4y ago
Children in voice chat has been an issue for decades, maybe you just didn't notice?