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Russia is today as much European as it was last year, 10 years ago or even 50 years ago. Just because it's at the moment more isolated again, dosn't mean it's l

Russia is today as much European as it was last year, 10 years ago or even 50 years ago. Just because it's at the moment more isolated again, dosn't mean it's less european.

hutzlibu 4y ago
"Just because it's at the moment more isolated again, dosn't mean it's less european." When speaking in political terms, it does mean exactly that. There is a clear wall between moscow and europe and everyday more of the remaining ties are being cut. 10 years ago, it was a lot different. But of course this does not affect the geographical classification of moscow, but this is really not the same.
- PurpleRamen 4y ago
  > When speaking in political terms, it does mean exactly that. No, it does not. Russia is part of Europe purely because of the geographical location. It always will have a relevance for neighboring countries, simply because it's there. This won't change, as long as people are living there, and it won't change just because the communication has lowered or even shutdown. > There is a clear wall between moscow and europe and everyday more of the remaining ties are being cut. The Wall is between Russia and the EU (+NATO), not Europe. The majority of Europe is part of the EU, but EU is not Europe. And Political, Russia wasn't a big player in EU anyway. East-Europe is their interests, there they still have their connections running in Non-EU-Countries.
  - hutzlibu 4y ago
    "Russia is part of Europe purely because of the geographical location." Yes, in the geographical context. But this is still not the same as the political context. There is kind of a long, shared (christian) history. And there are people who say, russia should be closer to the EU, than Turkey, or Bulgaria, because of that. Putin sees himself in the image of the european (christean) emperor tradition. "The majority of Europe is part of the EU, but EU is not Europe" And EU means Unified Europe. So who and what is european, to qualify to become unified? Open and ongoing question, but geography only plays a minor part in it. That was my main point. Political charged terms are seldom clear and precise and european is such a term, with more ambiguity than the clearly defined geographical term.

Russia is today as much European as it was last year, 10 years ago or even 50 years ago. Just because it's at the moment more isolated again, dosn't mean it's less european.

hutzlibu 4y ago

"Just because it's at the moment more isolated again, dosn't mean it's less european." When speaking in political terms, it does mean exactly that. There is a clear wall between moscow and europe and everyday more of the remaining ties are being cut. 10 years ago, it was a lot different. But of course this does not affect the geographical classification of moscow, but this is really not the same.

PurpleRamen 4y ago
> When speaking in political terms, it does mean exactly that. No, it does not. Russia is part of Europe purely because of the geographical location. It always will have a relevance for neighboring countries, simply because it's there. This won't change, as long as people are living there, and it won't change just because the communication has lowered or even shutdown. > There is a clear wall between moscow and europe and everyday more of the remaining ties are being cut. The Wall is between Russia and the EU (+NATO), not Europe. The majority of Europe is part of the EU, but EU is not Europe. And Political, Russia wasn't a big player in EU anyway. East-Europe is their interests, there they still have their connections running in Non-EU-Countries.
- hutzlibu 4y ago
  "Russia is part of Europe purely because of the geographical location." Yes, in the geographical context. But this is still not the same as the political context. There is kind of a long, shared (christian) history. And there are people who say, russia should be closer to the EU, than Turkey, or Bulgaria, because of that. Putin sees himself in the image of the european (christean) emperor tradition. "The majority of Europe is part of the EU, but EU is not Europe" And EU means Unified Europe. So who and what is european, to qualify to become unified? Open and ongoing question, but geography only plays a minor part in it. That was my main point. Political charged terms are seldom clear and precise and european is such a term, with more ambiguity than the clearly defined geographical term.