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"Ice" in the title should be ICE. It's an acronym - it's not about the use of cold compresses for pain relief. A lot of the comments here are about the use of f
by denton-scratch 4y ago
"Ice" in the title should be ICE. It's an acronym - it's not about the use of cold compresses for pain relief. A lot of the comments here are about the use of frozen water. That's not what this article's about.
ICE stands for Impact, Confidence, and Ease. I think the acronym is rather stretched and awkward.
- llbeansandrice 4y agoDoesn’t it stand for “ice compress elevate”??
- cobbzilla 4y agoI was taught RICE which is: Rest, Immobilization, Cold, Elevation The article mentions a shift from ICE to RICE (which I’m aware of) and then another shift to PRICE, which I’m not aware of— anyone know what the P stands for?
- SamBam 4y agoProtection. Preventing further injury.
- ComputerGuru 4y agoSeems… pointless? Obviously protect all of you from further injury insomuch as you can. It seems like someone just wanted to invent another acronym.
- mattkrause 4y agoIt's not meant to be general protection, like wearing shin guards next time so you don't get hurt at all. Instead, they mean that you should protect the injury so that it's not exacerbated: brace it or put it in a sling, have the patient use crutches, etc.
- SamBam 4y agoYes, I'm not sure where GP got that other acronym. And, given that, people talking about ice (frozen water) is fine, since that's specifically one of the things the new paper seems to be suggesting people stop doing, as well as stopping the use of anti-inflammatories.
- denton-scratch 4y agoI got it here: https://university.hygger.io/en/articles/3272334-lesson-6-ice-rice-methods https://university.hygger.io/en/articles/3272334-lesson-6-ic... I didn't search beyond the first result; but it seemed clear that it was an acronym, and it wasn't expanded in the article. So there may be other ways of expanding the acronym.
- SamBam 4y agoPeople use the same acronyms in different fields to mean different things, so it's definitely a good idea to double-check that is in the right domain. "Impact" may have made it look like it's talking about an injury, but actually those acronyms you found are about prioritizing tasks in product development.
- anamexis 4y agoThe correct acronym, which includes ice (frozen water), is in the title of the citation in the abstract. > Rehabilitation of soft tissue injuries can be complex. Over the years, acronyms guiding their management have evolved from ICE to RICE[1], then to PRICE[2] and POLICE[3]. > [1] van den Bekerom MPJ, Struijs PAA, Blankevoort L, et al. What is the evidence for rest, ice, compression, and elevation therapy in the treatment of ankle sprains in adults. J Athl Train2012;47: 435-43.
- roperj 4y agoYou don’t even need to consider context, you need to use the right acronym to start. The current acronym isn’t even ICE - it’s RICE.
- atombender 4y agoThat website is about project management. Nothing to do with medicine or treating injuries.
- PuercoPop 4y agoI knew that as RICE: Rest Ice Compression Elevation. I remember seeing in in medwiki which was a wikipedia curated my doctors that Standford tried to launch iirc.
- frenchy 4y agoThat's what I remember as well. It seems like the acronym has been so successful that it remains popular even though no one can agree one what it stands for.
- astura 4y agoI usually see it as RICE - rest, ice, compression, elevation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RICE_(medicine) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RICE_(medicine)
- elil17 4y agoTo be clear, though, they say "avoid icing" (i.e. The use of cold compresses for pain relief). It isn't what the article is primarily about, but it still is not their recommendations.
- elif 4y agoHere is the part you missed: "We also question the use of cryotherapy. Despite widespread use among clinicians and the population, there is no high-quality evidence on the efficacy of ice for treating soft-tissue injuries. Even if mostly analgesic, ice could potentially disrupt inflammation, angiogenesis and revascularisation, delay neutrophil and macrophage infiltration as well as increase immature myofibres."
- nashashmi 4y agoYes. The A in PEACE stands for “avoid icing” and anti inflammatory . So more or less, the title may be correct as is.
- dumbotron 4y agoThis mirrors my experience. All I've really been able to say is ice on a pulled muscle dulls the pain. I also researched it and never found good evidence supporting it. I also haven't great evidence supporting foam rolling or stretching to relieve muscle pain.
- Izkata 4y agoMy understanding, picked up as a kid sometime in the late 90s/early 2000s, was that ice makes injuries feel better while impeding healing. So it's a trade-off you had to make for yourself. Reading stuff like this now kinda feels like we lost a bunch of knowledge in the past two decades.
- rendaw 4y agoDoctors here give out anti-inflammatory packs like candy, and I did a dive since it seemed crazy to me. If your body is increasing blood flow to the area there's got to be a reason for it? All I could find though was statements that it doesn't serve a role/gets in the way of healing, something about maybe being mainly to prevent infection at a wound site? What you said seems reasonable, but can you point to any sources? I'd like to confirm for myself.
- dwighttk 4y agoHuh… you’re saying ICE also isn’t the end of RICE, or Rest, Ice, Compression, Elevation? All this is confusing.
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