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I'd love if there were human crossings too in urban areas.

by bagels 4y ago

BrandoElFollito 4y ago
You would appreciate Paris' "coulée verte". This is a 4.7 km (2.9 miles) path following an old railway and is above other roads, intersections, etc.[1] It is really wonderful (well, outside winter maybe) - and these are the words of someone who dislikes Paris very much. Another one is the southern one, much longer (14 km = 8.7 miles), excellent for biking.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coul%C3%A9e_verte_Ren%C3%A9-Dumont https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coul%C3%A9e_verte_Ren%C3%A9-Du... [2] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promenade_d%C3%A9partementale_des_Vallons-de-la-Bi%C3%A8vre https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promenade_d%C3%A9partementale_... (in French)
- prox 4y ago
  I love this idea, more congested cities should have this!
jodrellblank 4y ago
See the youtube channel Not Just Bikes[1], specifically videos like - "Why the Dutch wait less at traffic lights" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knbVWXzL4-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knbVWXzL4-4 argues that American traffic engineering is optimised for car movement, at the expense of pedestrians and bikes, whereas Dutch traffic engineering is to minimise conflict between vehicles and maximise movement of people overall. Leading to more complex but more efficient intersections. - "The Dutch solution for safer sidewalks - continuous sidewalks" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OfBpQgLXUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OfBpQgLXUc has crossings at junctions where cars and people intersect designed so the cars visibly have to travel over the sidewalk through the people's area, instead of designed so the people have to visibly travel over the road, through the car's area. - "Crossing the street shouldn't be dangerous, but it is" [in North America] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ByEBjf9ktY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ByEBjf9ktY talking about length of crossings on wide road, traffic signals, priorities, etc. [1] https://www.youtube.com/c/NotJustBikes/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/NotJustBikes/videos
nicoburns 4y ago
What would make even more sense is not to have freeways in urban areas!
- alistairSH 4y ago
  There’s a long, sordid history of building urban highways to both enable white flight and prevent minorities from moving into white neighborhoods. Hopefully, we can start removing those highways and undo that damage and make larger parts of our cities vibrant places to live again. https://www.npr.org/2021/04/07/984784455/a-brief-history-of-how-racism-shaped-interstate-highways https://www.npr.org/2021/04/07/984784455/a-brief-history-of-...

I'd love if there were human crossings too in urban areas.

by bagels 4y ago

I'd love if there were human crossings too in urban areas.

You would appreciate Paris' "coulée verte". This is a 4.7 km (2.9 miles) path following an old railway and is above other roads, intersections, etc.[1] It is really wonderful (well, outside winter maybe) - and these are the words of someone who dislikes Paris very much. Another one is the southern one, much longer (14 km = 8.7 miles), excellent for biking.[2] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coul%C3%A9e_verte_Ren%C3%A9-Dumont https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coul%C3%A9e_verte_Ren%C3%A9-Du... [2] https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promenade_d%C3%A9partementale_des_Vallons-de-la-Bi%C3%A8vre https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promenade_d%C3%A9partementale_... (in French)

prox 4y ago
I love this idea, more congested cities should have this!

jodrellblank 4y ago

See the youtube channel Not Just Bikes[1], specifically videos like - "Why the Dutch wait less at traffic lights" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knbVWXzL4-4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=knbVWXzL4-4 argues that American traffic engineering is optimised for car movement, at the expense of pedestrians and bikes, whereas Dutch traffic engineering is to minimise conflict between vehicles and maximise movement of people overall. Leading to more complex but more efficient intersections. - "The Dutch solution for safer sidewalks - continuous sidewalks" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OfBpQgLXUc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OfBpQgLXUc has crossings at junctions where cars and people intersect designed so the cars visibly have to travel over the sidewalk through the people's area, instead of designed so the people have to visibly travel over the road, through the car's area. - "Crossing the street shouldn't be dangerous, but it is" [in North America] - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ByEBjf9ktY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ByEBjf9ktY talking about length of crossings on wide road, traffic signals, priorities, etc. [1] https://www.youtube.com/c/NotJustBikes/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/NotJustBikes/videos

nicoburns 4y ago

What would make even more sense is not to have freeways in urban areas!

alistairSH 4y ago
There’s a long, sordid history of building urban highways to both enable white flight and prevent minorities from moving into white neighborhoods. Hopefully, we can start removing those highways and undo that damage and make larger parts of our cities vibrant places to live again. https://www.npr.org/2021/04/07/984784455/a-brief-history-of-how-racism-shaped-interstate-highways https://www.npr.org/2021/04/07/984784455/a-brief-history-of-...