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What is the problem? Are they not sharing where to get steroids like them or are they part of a sports competition? It sure motivates people to work harder to l

by _8j50 4y ago

What is the problem? Are they not sharing where to get steroids like them or are they part of a sports competition? It sure motivates people to work harder to look like them, without steroids they would look less inspiring. It's easier to get complacent if the trainer/influencer looks weaker than you. A lot of people need this, the assumption that most people honestly think these guys are clean is a bit too presumtuous.

neighbour 4y ago
I partially agree and personally couldn't care less if someone uses PEDs however a problem arises when a fitness influencer is secretly geared to the gills yet attributes his or her success to some product, service, or other consumable which they are trying to sell. This practice is very common and probably does more harm than good. I agree that looking up to, or aspiring towards an elite physique is good however people need to be realistic and realise that, for most people, it doesn't matter what you do, whether you take every steroid known to man, you will probably never look like Ronnie Coleman in his prime and that's okay.
- Heston 4y ago
  The other issue is it draws in young people because of the high reward and exposes them to a lot of dangers. It sets unrealistic expectations and wrecks their social dynamics.
  - nunez 4y ago
    the ironic thing about this is that lifting when you're young is the best time to start, as that is when your T is at its peak and your body is growing and changing like crazy anyway the people that look really good in their 30s, 40s and beyond usually started in their teens and kept the results.
mudrockbestgirl 4y ago
The problem is the nondisclosure. When you're selling something (do this program to get a body like mine) and don't disclose that you got there by taking steroids, that's a scam. The influence may still be positive, but you're fundamentally selling something that doesn't exist or yield the results you're saying it does. So you're lying.
- baandang 4y ago
  Yea, this is the fitness industry. 30 years ago it was a guy in a magazine on every drug known to man that would claim the reason for their size was Muscle Mega 3000 and then on the next page would be an advertisement for Muscle Mega 3000. 30 years ago Mike O'hearn was Mr Natural USA or some BS. The same thing over and over. If anything it was even worse 30 years ago when there was basically no information outside of bodybuilding magazines and even Mr Olympia would say they were natural. There was almost an unspoken code of silence and denial. On the other hand, there are probably quite a few people today that everyone thinks are on steroids but they are 100% natural. People have such huge variance in natural testosterone levels.
moonchrome 4y ago
> A lot of people need this, the assumption that most people honestly think these guys are clean is a bit too presumtuous. A while back at lunch with 6 coworkers I've had to Google Arnold Schwarzenegger admitting steroid use because they didn't think he used steroids. Just let that sink in about general awareness of what's possible with natural BB.
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  You can also see this when people think a good physique isn’t the result of work in the gym. As if it’s just a natural body variant on a continuum with no muscle definition on the other end. People also fail this test for women who, for example, do barbell hip thrusts every day in the gym to get a nice butt that everyone takes for granted. “You’re so lucky to have a body like that. I wish I was.” I think we see so many good looking people so often we lose sense of what it takes to get it.
dirtyid 4y ago
IMO real issue is fitness influencers stuck with "selling motivation to work hard to look like them", when reality is 99.99% of becoming top 0.01% is being born with top 0.01% genetics. Legal sups will give maybe 2% boost, illegal sups 20% which still makes "working hard" kind of a vapid marketting gimmick for most folks simply not born in the right region of the bell curve. I do think a lot of new lifters think work ethic + a few pills will get them influencer bodies / huge lifts. Strength training is a highly individual activity, largely done in commercial gyms where doing the activity somewhat diligently seems to bring big results relative to gen pop. But step into an athletic gym, or play a team sport at competitve level and it quickly becomes obvious that some individuals are just genetic phenomes, ultimately they're the ones that make it to top level, especially in something as genetically predisposed as growing lean mass or static strength, and no amount of hard work or drugs will even the playing field. But most novice to intermediate lifters and bodybuilders don't get this epiphany stuck lifting in commercial gyms. Like most people probably intuitively understand they can't simply train to sprint remotely on the same level as Bolt. But many gymbros think they can simply train to have the equivalent body or strength of influencers (many of whom are also just genetically blessed) when it was simply never in the cards. TBF the bodybuilding community seems to be much better at nattyornot conversations in the last few years. Strength community also improving simply because numbers have gotten so big as popularity unearthed 0.01% talent that 5plate folks aspiring for previously 6plate world record recognize that, no, they'll never come close to pulling 7 plates. At this point even women's record are becoming untouchable to most men hovering in the middle of the genetic bell curve.
poulpy123 4y ago
The problem is that these people sell products and services, either directly or through sponsoring based on their physique as a proof the products works. Not it's a lie: what works are steroids

by _8j50 4y ago

neighbour 4y ago

I partially agree and personally couldn't care less if someone uses PEDs however a problem arises when a fitness influencer is secretly geared to the gills yet attributes his or her success to some product, service, or other consumable which they are trying to sell. This practice is very common and probably does more harm than good. I agree that looking up to, or aspiring towards an elite physique is good however people need to be realistic and realise that, for most people, it doesn't matter what you do, whether you take every steroid known to man, you will probably never look like Ronnie Coleman in his prime and that's okay.

Heston 4y ago
The other issue is it draws in young people because of the high reward and exposes them to a lot of dangers. It sets unrealistic expectations and wrecks their social dynamics.
- nunez 4y ago
  the ironic thing about this is that lifting when you're young is the best time to start, as that is when your T is at its peak and your body is growing and changing like crazy anyway the people that look really good in their 30s, 40s and beyond usually started in their teens and kept the results.

mudrockbestgirl 4y ago

The problem is the nondisclosure. When you're selling something (do this program to get a body like mine) and don't disclose that you got there by taking steroids, that's a scam. The influence may still be positive, but you're fundamentally selling something that doesn't exist or yield the results you're saying it does. So you're lying.

baandang 4y ago
Yea, this is the fitness industry. 30 years ago it was a guy in a magazine on every drug known to man that would claim the reason for their size was Muscle Mega 3000 and then on the next page would be an advertisement for Muscle Mega 3000. 30 years ago Mike O'hearn was Mr Natural USA or some BS. The same thing over and over. If anything it was even worse 30 years ago when there was basically no information outside of bodybuilding magazines and even Mr Olympia would say they were natural. There was almost an unspoken code of silence and denial. On the other hand, there are probably quite a few people today that everyone thinks are on steroids but they are 100% natural. People have such huge variance in natural testosterone levels.

moonchrome 4y ago

> A lot of people need this, the assumption that most people honestly think these guys are clean is a bit too presumtuous. A while back at lunch with 6 coworkers I've had to Google Arnold Schwarzenegger admitting steroid use because they didn't think he used steroids. Just let that sink in about general awareness of what's possible with natural BB.

hombre_fatal 4y ago
You can also see this when people think a good physique isn’t the result of work in the gym. As if it’s just a natural body variant on a continuum with no muscle definition on the other end. People also fail this test for women who, for example, do barbell hip thrusts every day in the gym to get a nice butt that everyone takes for granted. “You’re so lucky to have a body like that. I wish I was.” I think we see so many good looking people so often we lose sense of what it takes to get it.

dirtyid 4y ago

IMO real issue is fitness influencers stuck with "selling motivation to work hard to look like them", when reality is 99.99% of becoming top 0.01% is being born with top 0.01% genetics. Legal sups will give maybe 2% boost, illegal sups 20% which still makes "working hard" kind of a vapid marketting gimmick for most folks simply not born in the right region of the bell curve. I do think a lot of new lifters think work ethic + a few pills will get them influencer bodies / huge lifts. Strength training is a highly individual activity, largely done in commercial gyms where doing the activity somewhat diligently seems to bring big results relative to gen pop. But step into an athletic gym, or play a team sport at competitve level and it quickly becomes obvious that some individuals are just genetic phenomes, ultimately they're the ones that make it to top level, especially in something as genetically predisposed as growing lean mass or static strength, and no amount of hard work or drugs will even the playing field. But most novice to intermediate lifters and bodybuilders don't get this epiphany stuck lifting in commercial gyms. Like most people probably intuitively understand they can't simply train to sprint remotely on the same level as Bolt. But many gymbros think they can simply train to have the equivalent body or strength of influencers (many of whom are also just genetically blessed) when it was simply never in the cards. TBF the bodybuilding community seems to be much better at nattyornot conversations in the last few years. Strength community also improving simply because numbers have gotten so big as popularity unearthed 0.01% talent that 5plate folks aspiring for previously 6plate world record recognize that, no, they'll never come close to pulling 7 plates. At this point even women's record are becoming untouchable to most men hovering in the middle of the genetic bell curve.

poulpy123 4y ago

The problem is that these people sell products and services, either directly or through sponsoring based on their physique as a proof the products works. Not it's a lie: what works are steroids