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So “has died” is such a diversion. He was killed.

dang 4y ago
Submitted title said "has died". I've replaced it with "put to sleep" for now, which at least makes clear that he didn't just "die". Although it's a euphemism (an appalling one really), it at least conveys the context, which is that wildlife professionals did it, and say it was for reasons of humaneness. Edit: switched to the less euphemistic wording suggested by notduncansmith below
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Technically though he was already on the way out due to rat poison which is a lot closer to being killed.
  - notduncansmith 4y ago
    I think HN can handle “was euthanized” but yeah it’s a tough situation to do justice to. I lived right by Griffith Park from a few years ago up until very recently, and this was deeply sad news.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      I'm trying to imagine what it would be like to round a corner and be eye-to-eye with that beauty. Mixed fear and awe.
      - samtho 4y ago
        Mountain lions are not as much of an apex predator as their namesake seems to suggest. Attacks on humans are exceedingly rare especially considering how many of them live in close proximity to humans. You won’t see them during the day (and if you, get far away from it) but you may see them at night, usually on trail cameras. If you are walking around mountain lion country at night, you are very likely being watched closely. I try not to think about it when I’m up at my cabin. Unless they are literally starving, they are usually very timid and shy. Humans are especially terrifying to wildlife. We walk very tall, make a bunch of strange noises, we have tools, lights, automobiles, and otherwise signal that we are the apex predator.
        jacquesm 4y ago
        I've lived in the Canadian bush and have been up close with deer, elk, moose, bobcats and bears. Of all those the moose are easily the most impressive and depending on the season can be quite dangerous, bears are obviously not the best to come across either. All of that multiplied by 10 if they have young. But I've never seen a big cat the size of a mountain lion in the wild and even though they may be shy I'm not sure if the lizard part of my brain would be sufficiently convinced of that.
    - dang 4y ago
      That's a better word. I've put it in the title above.
- zx8080 4y ago
  From [0]: > The National Park service confirmed that P-22 was responsible for killing a chihuahua that was being walked in the Hollywood hills last month. No queationing humaneness aspect of putting to sleep, however was the decision connected to the attack? From what I've read: - P-22 was tracked and captured 5 days ago after confirming attacking a chihuahua in the Hollywood last month. - 5 days later P-22 was put to sleep Would P-22 be put to sleep if there was no recent attack on chihuahua? Does the obvious connection mean that the reason for putting to sleep was not "humaneness", but risk of attack on pets? 0 - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63957074 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63957074
  - jjtheblunt 4y ago
    P-22 had multiple skull fractures and ruptured internal organs from an automobile collision, whose driver reported the accident, days earlier. I read that earlier today...which is of course terribly sad.
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joshuahaglund 4y ago
Considering he was down to 90 lbs from 123 in 2012, had a cracked skull and herniated diaphragm from an apparent recent car crash, I'd say he was euthanized

dang 4y ago

Submitted title said "has died". I've replaced it with "put to sleep" for now, which at least makes clear that he didn't just "die". Although it's a euphemism (an appalling one really), it at least conveys the context, which is that wildlife professionals did it, and say it was for reasons of humaneness. Edit: switched to the less euphemistic wording suggested by notduncansmith below

jacquesm 4y ago
Technically though he was already on the way out due to rat poison which is a lot closer to being killed.
- notduncansmith 4y ago
  I think HN can handle “was euthanized” but yeah it’s a tough situation to do justice to. I lived right by Griffith Park from a few years ago up until very recently, and this was deeply sad news.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    I'm trying to imagine what it would be like to round a corner and be eye-to-eye with that beauty. Mixed fear and awe.
    - samtho 4y ago
      Mountain lions are not as much of an apex predator as their namesake seems to suggest. Attacks on humans are exceedingly rare especially considering how many of them live in close proximity to humans. You won’t see them during the day (and if you, get far away from it) but you may see them at night, usually on trail cameras. If you are walking around mountain lion country at night, you are very likely being watched closely. I try not to think about it when I’m up at my cabin. Unless they are literally starving, they are usually very timid and shy. Humans are especially terrifying to wildlife. We walk very tall, make a bunch of strange noises, we have tools, lights, automobiles, and otherwise signal that we are the apex predator.
      - jacquesm 4y ago
        I've lived in the Canadian bush and have been up close with deer, elk, moose, bobcats and bears. Of all those the moose are easily the most impressive and depending on the season can be quite dangerous, bears are obviously not the best to come across either. All of that multiplied by 10 if they have young. But I've never seen a big cat the size of a mountain lion in the wild and even though they may be shy I'm not sure if the lizard part of my brain would be sufficiently convinced of that.
  - dang 4y ago
    That's a better word. I've put it in the title above.
zx8080 4y ago
From [0]: > The National Park service confirmed that P-22 was responsible for killing a chihuahua that was being walked in the Hollywood hills last month. No queationing humaneness aspect of putting to sleep, however was the decision connected to the attack? From what I've read: - P-22 was tracked and captured 5 days ago after confirming attacking a chihuahua in the Hollywood last month. - 5 days later P-22 was put to sleep Would P-22 be put to sleep if there was no recent attack on chihuahua? Does the obvious connection mean that the reason for putting to sleep was not "humaneness", but risk of attack on pets? 0 - https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63957074 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63957074
- jjtheblunt 4y ago
  P-22 had multiple skull fractures and ruptured internal organs from an automobile collision, whose driver reported the accident, days earlier. I read that earlier today...which is of course terribly sad.
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joshuahaglund 4y ago

Considering he was down to 90 lbs from 123 in 2012, had a cracked skull and herniated diaphragm from an apparent recent car crash, I'd say he was euthanized