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You could be neutral now but be called leftist if you won't publish disinformation.

SanjayMehta 4y ago
True. I couldn't find the original of the cartoon in this piece. This problem cuts both ways though. https://nypost.com/2022/04/29/elon-musk-says-woke-progressive-extremists-make-him-look-right-wing/ https://nypost.com/2022/04/29/elon-musk-says-woke-progressiv...
- skinnymuch 4y ago
  He is not on speaking terms with his trans daughter and writes stuff about his pronouns and other silly stuff. He obviously isn’t liberal in the way he and the article are using liberal.
- mcv 4y ago
  The original version of that has the right moving to the extreme right while the left stays in place. I guess both sides feel that the gap has grown, but both sides blame the other side. Before we descend into both-sideism, though, it's worth to get a bit more perspective: the left-wing version of the comic looks at the growing divide over a period of decades; just after WW2, social democracy was strong in the US. Support for unions was strong, workers' rights, social security, all sorts of social democratic programs were broadly supported. Only with Reagan, did the Republicans suddenly start moving to the right: lower taxes, end social programs, deregulation, privatisation. And in the 1990s, the Democrats followed them on that part; both the regulation of the banks that enabled the 2008 crash and the crime bill that gave the US the largest prison population in the world, happened on Clinton's watch. So the left-wing version of the comic is absolutely correct, and people have started to push back, which may have inspired the right-wing version of the comic. Except I've got the feeling that the right-wing version is about something completely different: the pronouns issue. And frankly, that's barely a left-right issue. It's got nothing to do with economic inequality. It's entirely possible to support economic equality yet oppose accepting transgender people as their target gender (see JK Rowling, for example), or to oppose economic equality yet support accepting transgender people (classic/economic/neo-liberalism, many corporations). Politics is simply not the one-dimensional field that these comics suggest it is.

True. I couldn't find the original of the cartoon in this piece. This problem cuts both ways though. https://nypost.com/2022/04/29/elon-musk-says-woke-progressive-extremists-make-him-look-right-wing/ https://nypost.com/2022/04/29/elon-musk-says-woke-progressiv...

skinnymuch 4y ago
He is not on speaking terms with his trans daughter and writes stuff about his pronouns and other silly stuff. He obviously isn’t liberal in the way he and the article are using liberal.
mcv 4y ago
The original version of that has the right moving to the extreme right while the left stays in place. I guess both sides feel that the gap has grown, but both sides blame the other side. Before we descend into both-sideism, though, it's worth to get a bit more perspective: the left-wing version of the comic looks at the growing divide over a period of decades; just after WW2, social democracy was strong in the US. Support for unions was strong, workers' rights, social security, all sorts of social democratic programs were broadly supported. Only with Reagan, did the Republicans suddenly start moving to the right: lower taxes, end social programs, deregulation, privatisation. And in the 1990s, the Democrats followed them on that part; both the regulation of the banks that enabled the 2008 crash and the crime bill that gave the US the largest prison population in the world, happened on Clinton's watch. So the left-wing version of the comic is absolutely correct, and people have started to push back, which may have inspired the right-wing version of the comic. Except I've got the feeling that the right-wing version is about something completely different: the pronouns issue. And frankly, that's barely a left-right issue. It's got nothing to do with economic inequality. It's entirely possible to support economic equality yet oppose accepting transgender people as their target gender (see JK Rowling, for example), or to oppose economic equality yet support accepting transgender people (classic/economic/neo-liberalism, many corporations). Politics is simply not the one-dimensional field that these comics suggest it is.