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It Pays to Know Ruby: New York City’s Top Tech Jobs (and Their Average Salary)
- dabent 15y agoI wonder what the sample size was here. I noticed most of the salaries end in numbers that indicate a denominator of 3 or 4, such as 250 or 667. If that's really how small the sample set is, I'm not surprised that so many have seen the numbers as being low. I'm also curious about the source of these numbers. I don't think I've seen a salary survey like this that's ever seemed anything but lower than what I know the market to be. That makes sense if employers are providing the numbers, as they'd like to pay less than they are currently paying for talent.
- brianvan 15y agoIt's a placement agency so, yeah, don't fully trust those numbers. Then again, you'd have to think that those numbers represent the sort of market that would use staffing agencies. So, if you want to come work for a financial titan, you can get more $$$ via direct negotiations / interviews. However, if you think you're coming here to work for an interactive media or B2B startup, then forget these numbers altogether. Those jobs pay everything from low market salaries to a cash/equity mix. We'll never get a clear picture of that market because, IRT insiders, it's in no one's best interest to talk about it.
- victorhn 15y agoThey could also indicate a denominator of 6,8,9,12,16,24,32,etc.
- rada 15y agoI don't know if I would put too much trust in this list. From what I know about NYC salaries - 10 years freelancing at all kinds of companies, from startups to corporate behemoths - the numbers seem about $20k low, on average. PHP, Ruby and mobile devs that I know personally make $120+ (both freelancing and full time), more on Wall Street. Sales engineers make significantly more.
- TYPE_FASTER 15y agoYes, those numbers seem low to me, especially for NYC.
- droithomme 15y agoFor those of you who live in New York City, what sort of standard of living do these salaries represent? Would one be comfortably be able to lease a 3 bedroom apartment within walking distance of work, in a neighborhood with good schools?
- hogu 15y agoI rented a nice 1 bdroom within walking distance from work for 3000$ yea ouch. I now rent a nice but tiny 550 sqft 1bdroom for 1900$ 3 bdroom apts are extremely expensive. however the trains are really good, so "walking distance" isn't that important
- bproper 15y agoYeah - you can get a nice size 2 bedroom in Brooklyn for $2500 a month and be 20 minutes from work by train.
- infinite8s 15y agoWhat parts of brooklyn? And 20 minutes to downtown or midtown?
- kai-zer 15y ago3 bedroom would likely be +5k for what you describe in Manhattan.
- droithomme 15y agoThanks very much, so around $60,000 a year gets one a three bedroom. Salaries around $100,000-$120,000 before taxes, after all taxes taken into account (federal, FICA, state, county, local, sales) about $50k-$60k take home, so it sounds like a 3 bedroom is basically not possible.
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- olegd 15y agowhere is .net?
- ghotli 15y agoBeta beat mostly reports on the NY startup scene. From casual observations .net doesn't seem to be that popular in up and coming technology shops these days. Just a thought, totally inconclusive.
- xseparator 15y agoWho cares?
- eropple 15y agoQuite a lot of people, actually. Thanks for the insightful post.
- wotsrovert 15y agoThere's a lot of .net within Wall Street. I hear that work pays better than the positions listed in original post.
- frou_dh 15y agoHammer Carpenter
- thetrendycyborg 15y agoThese numbers seem low. But as for cost of living, don't live in New York itself. The longer your commute, the more you save. Time is the trade-off, of course. If you get some partial work-from-home, you're golden. I have a fairly nice sized (1200 square foot) apartment within 30 minutes by bus and train from work.
- jimbobimbo 15y agoI ran some numbers to compare my current perks (NJ, less than 10 minutes drive, lunch at home) vs possible offer in NYC (about an hour of train and subway combined) and figured I'd need to ask 10k more to just to have same amount of money left after expenses for commute and lunching out. And I'm already making more that Ruby people from the OP list.
- dsolomon 15y agoThose salaries seem inflated, like most of the ads for developers. The data source is CyberCoders. A ouiji board is more accurate.
- gyardley 15y agoInflated? I was thinking they were at least $20K on the low side.
- randomdata 15y agoNote that it is an average. If all your friends are making $120,000 per year, and all dsolomon's friends are making $50,000 per year, the average income is going to somewhere between both of your expectations.
- weeksie 15y agoActually those numbers are way low for NYC.
- brador 15y agoOnce again: Averages without variance have no meaning. This is why, at school, you were taught how to calculate averages at the same time as calculating variance. The variance provides an indication of data spread and the two belong together, like fish and chips. One without the other means incorrect inferences are more likely. Like here.
- sliverstorm 15y agoOh, I'm sure they are counting on incorrect inferences. You know, using the super-senior dev's $250k salary to mask the introductory salary of $30k and stuff like that...
- elb0w 15y agoThis obviously doesn't include the financial industry. I know for a fact the average salary range is higher than this. In some of the medium sized firms, not even the large ones. Not to mention Perl is still a highly valued language in this industry which wasn't even included here. I assume this sample is based on start ups only?
- sliverstorm 15y agoWe're talking about Ruby. Of course it is based on start ups only. Nobody here is interested in Perl, it is clearly the dinosaur language. Don't try too hard to correct them. ;)
- draegtun 15y agore: sample - Looking at CyberCoders job postings for New York right now it only shows 252 job posts in total so the sample is very small. And you can slice and dice this kind of data in so many ways you can end of with many different types of results from it :) Searching on CyberCoders for PHP, Python, Ruby & Perl at moment (in NY) returns these numbers of job posts... PHP 48 Python 33 Ruby 27 Perl 13 However if we then break this down into clearly defined posts for a PHP developer, Python developer, etc we get... PHP 9 Python 8 Ruby 9 (3 Ruby, 6 RoR) Perl 1 And the average salary range given for these developer posts are... PHP $80k - $121k Python $93k - $128k Ruby $83k - $128k Perl $80k - $110k As with quoted figures everywhere please take these with a large pinch of salt :)
- zyb09 15y agoI hope with "Mobile/Web Engineers" they don't actually mean native iOS / Android development, because it would be a shame to see them lower than everybody else.
- moocow01 15y agoThe link in the article to the most poachable players sure is an interesting one... never seen names and numbers called out so bluntly - their employers must thrilled. (Oh well I guess thats part of the game...) http://www.betabeat.com/2011/11/17/new-york-techs-20-most-poachable-players/ http://www.betabeat.com/2011/11/17/new-york-techs-20-most-po...
- jwallaceparker 15y agoThe average Ruby salary is about 3% higher than the average Python salary. Not a big difference.
- joejohnson 15y agoA lot of these jobs are not entry-level, but I believe that jobs in CA (in the Bay Area) have equal or higher entry-level salaries. Can anyone confirm that people in tech jobs are paid more in Silicon Valley than in NYC?
- itmag 15y agoHoly fuck you Americans are well paid... 80k is a very respectable salary here in Sweden. Hell, I know plenty of programmer working for 40k a year. In the US it seems like the norm for recompense is 100k+. What gives?
- mattdeboard 15y agoI'm an American, in America. 80k is a very respectable salary here in America too, and I know programmers working for 40k a year. The United States is a very large, very socioeconomically diverse country. It is after all, iirc, at least as large as all of Europe. So no, not all American devs are paid that way.