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Meanwhile others have been warning about his lunacy for years and up till recently have faced nothing but backlash from his internet armies. It just feels so go

Meanwhile others have been warning about his lunacy for years and up till recently have faced nothing but backlash from his internet armies. It just feels so good to see comments like yours. It's out in the open now, everyone now knows he is a greedy charlatan.

chasil 4y ago
I really don't know who he is. I see him make "pedo" commentary and I cringe, but reusable rockets are an enormous achievement. I don't see any compelling reason to buy an electric car, but his execution of the Twitter buyout has revealed biased regulation in the extreme, perhaps by illegal proxy from the FBI. These are important questions, and he has admitted that he is under stress and not completely stable. I'm not sure what to think.
- shadowgovt 4y ago
  > the Twitter buyout has revealed biased regulation in the extreme, perhaps by illegal proxy from the FBI. I haven't seen this; what does it refer to?
  - chasil 4y ago
    What? Really? The House of Representatives controls the money for the FBI. The Senate, as you might know does not. The FBI should be anticipating a haircut. https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3770060-with-new-twitter-files-musk-forces-a-free-speech-reckoning-for-politicians-and-pundits/ https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3770060-with-new-twitt... Jack Dorsey can certainly be prosecuted for perjury. https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-files-flashback-jack-dorsey-testified-oath-twitter-censor-shadow-ban-conservatives https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-files-flashback-jack-d...
    - shadowgovt 4y ago
      Thank you. I haven't been following the Twitter files so I wasn't sure what your previous post referred to. Unfortunately, I think neither of the scenarios you described are likely. The House proposes funding bills, it's true, but those bills don't pass without Senate and presidential sign-off. Similarly, if somebody lies to congress, Congress can refer them to the justice department, but it's the executive branch that would execute the prosecution. Even if one could pin Dorsey on a specific lie (and it would be really easy for him to claim that they don't silence conservative voices, just their perception of unfactual information), I doubt it's expedient for this administration to press the issue.
- echelon 4y ago
  > he has admitted that he is under stress and not completely stable. He owes allegiance to the Chinese for Gigafactory Shanghai, the Saudis for Twitter, the US DoD for SpaceX, the Russians for industrial inputs. And they all want very different things. Then he gets goaded into buying Twitter in a botched attempt to manipulate its stock price, can't back out, and ultimately ties up a large percentage of his wealth in it. Now he's having to play private equity turnaround while all of the metrics are going down and to the right. I feel kind of sorry for him, but he brought it on himself.
  - chasil 4y ago
    This is the globalist that both George Bush one and two yearned for.
- andirk 4y ago
  You can think and believe both with no hypocrisy. It takes some insanity to successfully build a bunch of rockets to Mars or whatever. This is like a more intelligent version of Kany West's breakdown from idiot to straight up mental patient.
  - yenda 4y ago
    It has to be a drug.
    - WaxProlix 4y ago
      Wealth, power, ... could be a blend of several.
- bsder 4y ago
  > These are important questions, and he has admitted that he is under stress and not completely stable. Look, all Musk needs to do is stop digging. Lots of people underneath him want to keep their nice, cushy, well-paying jobs and would do what needs to be done to keep the companies on an even keel. If Musk could just sit down and shut the fuck up, things would start self-righting. But he can't. Because of who he is.
  - chasil 4y ago
    Can this property not be harnessed for benefit? The problem is... does he think he is doing so with every action that he takes?
tim333 4y ago
>everyone now knows he is a greedy charlatan. I think he's good at the engineering stuff. It's just social media is not really his forte. I wouldn't go for the TSLA short myself.
- justapassenger 4y ago
  He’s running all of his other companies like Twitter. Total disregard for any risk management, firing people who aren’t yes man and lying about his products and intentions. With Twitter you get to see how sausage is made. It doesn’t scare you, that same chaos is used to build machines that can kill people?
- BinaryIdiot 4y ago
  The last thing Elon engineered was a website about 30 some years ago and when he hired developers, they rewrote everything he did. He's always been pretty bad a managing a business, too. This is why he doesn't actually run any of them. You'll notice SpaceX and Tesla both have adults in charge. It's always surprising to me when people think he's amazing when really, he has a lot of money and people get paid to manage him_ inside of his companies. Twitter just showed what it looks like when Musk tries to manage things himself.
  - tim333 4y ago
    >It's always surprising to me when people think he's amazing when really, he has a lot of money He started out after college with negative net worth and from that became the world's richest man through transforming electric cars and rocketry. I find it amazing people can look at that and say he's just a rich idiot.
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      > I find it amazing people can look at that and say he's just a rich idiot. I look at the last three months and I wonder how they can't. But you're just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.
    - 4y ago
s5300 4y ago
I believe I’ve also written (typed) & stated on HN that Paul Graham is a ghoulish charlatan (exact words). Funnily enough, my account has yet to be fully banned on here (I think there was a point in which Dang gave me a last warning) Yet Paul has now been knocked by… somebody at least wealthier than him, least I say more ghoulish… It’s been an interesting month on the internet to say the least Edit 3:35 pm best coast time I have misled you my friends. I actually called Garry Tan a “ghoul and a charlatan” as he came back to YC as an advisor or something. I have felt the same about PG for a while though :D Paul, you can always change for the better. How you’re currently looking at Elon is how some portion of those, whom once-upon-a-time looked up to you, have viewed you for some time.
agumonkey 4y ago
That he could be an egomaniac moron was a thing but that he would be unable to adjust and react to massive blunders is still staggering to me. Even a mobster would know how to keep a low profile to keep his 'business' going.
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chasil 4y ago

I really don't know who he is. I see him make "pedo" commentary and I cringe, but reusable rockets are an enormous achievement. I don't see any compelling reason to buy an electric car, but his execution of the Twitter buyout has revealed biased regulation in the extreme, perhaps by illegal proxy from the FBI. These are important questions, and he has admitted that he is under stress and not completely stable. I'm not sure what to think.

shadowgovt 4y ago
> the Twitter buyout has revealed biased regulation in the extreme, perhaps by illegal proxy from the FBI. I haven't seen this; what does it refer to?
- chasil 4y ago
  What? Really? The House of Representatives controls the money for the FBI. The Senate, as you might know does not. The FBI should be anticipating a haircut. https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3770060-with-new-twitter-files-musk-forces-a-free-speech-reckoning-for-politicians-and-pundits/ https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3770060-with-new-twitt... Jack Dorsey can certainly be prosecuted for perjury. https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-files-flashback-jack-dorsey-testified-oath-twitter-censor-shadow-ban-conservatives https://www.foxnews.com/media/twitter-files-flashback-jack-d...
  - shadowgovt 4y ago
    Thank you. I haven't been following the Twitter files so I wasn't sure what your previous post referred to. Unfortunately, I think neither of the scenarios you described are likely. The House proposes funding bills, it's true, but those bills don't pass without Senate and presidential sign-off. Similarly, if somebody lies to congress, Congress can refer them to the justice department, but it's the executive branch that would execute the prosecution. Even if one could pin Dorsey on a specific lie (and it would be really easy for him to claim that they don't silence conservative voices, just their perception of unfactual information), I doubt it's expedient for this administration to press the issue.
echelon 4y ago
> he has admitted that he is under stress and not completely stable. He owes allegiance to the Chinese for Gigafactory Shanghai, the Saudis for Twitter, the US DoD for SpaceX, the Russians for industrial inputs. And they all want very different things. Then he gets goaded into buying Twitter in a botched attempt to manipulate its stock price, can't back out, and ultimately ties up a large percentage of his wealth in it. Now he's having to play private equity turnaround while all of the metrics are going down and to the right. I feel kind of sorry for him, but he brought it on himself.
- chasil 4y ago
  This is the globalist that both George Bush one and two yearned for.
andirk 4y ago
You can think and believe both with no hypocrisy. It takes some insanity to successfully build a bunch of rockets to Mars or whatever. This is like a more intelligent version of Kany West's breakdown from idiot to straight up mental patient.
- yenda 4y ago
  It has to be a drug.
  - WaxProlix 4y ago
    Wealth, power, ... could be a blend of several.
bsder 4y ago
> These are important questions, and he has admitted that he is under stress and not completely stable. Look, all Musk needs to do is stop digging. Lots of people underneath him want to keep their nice, cushy, well-paying jobs and would do what needs to be done to keep the companies on an even keel. If Musk could just sit down and shut the fuck up, things would start self-righting. But he can't. Because of who he is.
- chasil 4y ago
  Can this property not be harnessed for benefit? The problem is... does he think he is doing so with every action that he takes?

tim333 4y ago

>everyone now knows he is a greedy charlatan. I think he's good at the engineering stuff. It's just social media is not really his forte. I wouldn't go for the TSLA short myself.

justapassenger 4y ago
He’s running all of his other companies like Twitter. Total disregard for any risk management, firing people who aren’t yes man and lying about his products and intentions. With Twitter you get to see how sausage is made. It doesn’t scare you, that same chaos is used to build machines that can kill people?
BinaryIdiot 4y ago
The last thing Elon engineered was a website about 30 some years ago and when he hired developers, they rewrote everything he did. He's always been pretty bad a managing a business, too. This is why he doesn't actually run any of them. You'll notice SpaceX and Tesla both have adults in charge. It's always surprising to me when people think he's amazing when really, he has a lot of money and people get paid to manage him_ inside of his companies. Twitter just showed what it looks like when Musk tries to manage things himself.
- tim333 4y ago
  >It's always surprising to me when people think he's amazing when really, he has a lot of money He started out after college with negative net worth and from that became the world's richest man through transforming electric cars and rocketry. I find it amazing people can look at that and say he's just a rich idiot.
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    > I find it amazing people can look at that and say he's just a rich idiot. I look at the last three months and I wonder how they can't. But you're just as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.
  - 4y ago

s5300 4y ago

I believe I’ve also written (typed) & stated on HN that Paul Graham is a ghoulish charlatan (exact words). Funnily enough, my account has yet to be fully banned on here (I think there was a point in which Dang gave me a last warning) Yet Paul has now been knocked by… somebody at least wealthier than him, least I say more ghoulish… It’s been an interesting month on the internet to say the least Edit 3:35 pm best coast time I have misled you my friends. I actually called Garry Tan a “ghoul and a charlatan” as he came back to YC as an advisor or something. I have felt the same about PG for a while though :D Paul, you can always change for the better. How you’re currently looking at Elon is how some portion of those, whom once-upon-a-time looked up to you, have viewed you for some time.

agumonkey 4y ago

That he could be an egomaniac moron was a thing but that he would be unable to adjust and react to massive blunders is still staggering to me. Even a mobster would know how to keep a low profile to keep his 'business' going.

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