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> https://mas.to/@paulg https://mas.to/@paulg seems to have been hugged to death already :) You can watch the account in your own instance (if someone on your

by cesarb 4y ago

> https://mas.to/@paulg https://mas.to/@paulg seems to have been hugged to death already :) You can watch the account in your own instance (if someone on your instance has already followed him, which is likely for larger instances). Just go to https://example.org/@paulg@mas.to https://example.org/@paulg@mas.to (replace the domain with your favorite instance's domain). (Edit: fixed typo)

DonHopkins 4y ago
Does it make any sense to spin up your own little Mastodon server just for you and your most trusted friends, so you don't have to spend any time moderating content?
- davidgerard 4y ago
  Yes, but the main problem is that Mastodon is very large and fat. Running it for more than a few people is expensive. There's also Pleroma (the Akkoma fork is recommended) and Misskey. There are people working on server software to be fully a part of Mastodon without spending $30/month. It should be possible to do this much more efficiently.
  - davidw 4y ago
    As a BEAM fan, Pleroma looks interesting, but "which fork of the Elixir project that is related to Mastodon" is... peak open source isn't it? In all the good ways and bad ways. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pleroma/comments/yu8xof/pleromas_rebased_fork_vs_akkoma_fork/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Pleroma/comments/yu8xof/pleromas_re... I wonder what the resource requirements of that look like compared to the default Mastodon thing.
  - patch_cable 4y ago
    Mentioned above, but I’ve been running Akkoma on a OCI free tier ARM instance with no issues.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    Mastodon is large and fat??! Finally an honestly named piece of software. If I'm already running a moderately sized $30-or-so-per-month server with its own local database process, that's not very busy. Should it fit on that kind of system just fine, or does it need a lot of CPU, memory, disk space, and/or network bandwidth? Or do you think I'd have to upgrade to a 50-or-so-per-month server? Again, not planning on having many people use it, but I'm just wondering how much baseline and peak overhead there is to just being on the network, along various dimensions.
  - rsolva 4y ago
    I've run GoToSocial as my personal instance for a few weeks and although it is still a very young project, it has worked reliably for me. Since it is a Go project is bare uses any resources, ~100mb RAM and almost zero CPU. I host 3 personal accounts connected to ~1000 accounts (folliwers and followed) in total. Run it on my Proxmox at home.
- Tepix 4y ago
  Very much so!
- jacquesm 4y ago
  If you're going down that road count me in, I'll chip in for expenses as well, obviously.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    I know you're actually a robot, so I trust you! It's those pesky humans I'm worried about. Oh shit did I just ROBODOX you, buddy?
    - jacquesm 4y ago
      Ah... guilty as charged. I'll go drink some engine oil now, I feel a bit rusty. Need to recharge soon as well.
- genghisjahn 4y ago
  https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/apps/mastodon https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/apps/mastodon My costs are more like $18/month.
- monkeywork 4y ago
  Yes I wish we could have some sort of rule where you could never have more than 100 or so people per server and the community really really focused on making the deploy instructions as simple as possible for people to use with things like Oracles free tier, or the low cost VPS's out there. Mastodon instances with 10's of thousands of users is a TERRIBLE idea for the long term viability of the service.
  - Animats 4y ago
    > never have more than 100 or so people per server Is the performance that bad?
    - kragen 4y ago
      no, dealing with thousands of users is that bad on an interpersonal level
    - dsr_ 4y ago
      No, it's to encourage communities to form and admins to be able to have minimal relationships with their users.
  - DonHopkins 4y ago
    My main concern isn't CPU performance, but that I don't want to spend any of my own time moderating, and just let on people and robots I trust, if anyone at all. Sounds like it's easy to install on the cloud. Would it make sense to run it on a home server with a good broadband consumer internet connection like fiber? Is there a lot of traffic normally, pushing or pulling or polling?
  - kibwen 4y ago
    I agree that having enormous general "catch-all" servers will inevitably lead to low-quality cesspits (like Twitter). But topical mastodon instances are approximately federated subreddits, and subreddits can maintain reasonable quality even with 10,000 subscribers (but once you get much larger than that you start having problems).
- PierceJoy 4y ago
  Isn’t that just a private Discord? Or do you specifically mean something you can host yourself?
- pimeys 4y ago
  I am running Akkoma which is an Elixir server with Mastodon-compatible API. Super fast and runs well with my 10€ two server Hetzner setup. https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/ https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/
  - patch_cable 4y ago
    I am also running Akkoma on a free-tier OCI ARM instance. It runs great. Akkoma also works with the official Mastodon mobile app.
bhoops 4y ago
working example: https://x.goonj.xyz/@paulg@mas.to https://x.goonj.xyz/@paulg@mas.to

by cesarb 4y ago

DonHopkins 4y ago

Does it make any sense to spin up your own little Mastodon server just for you and your most trusted friends, so you don't have to spend any time moderating content?

davidgerard 4y ago
Yes, but the main problem is that Mastodon is very large and fat. Running it for more than a few people is expensive. There's also Pleroma (the Akkoma fork is recommended) and Misskey. There are people working on server software to be fully a part of Mastodon without spending $30/month. It should be possible to do this much more efficiently.
- davidw 4y ago
  As a BEAM fan, Pleroma looks interesting, but "which fork of the Elixir project that is related to Mastodon" is... peak open source isn't it? In all the good ways and bad ways. https://www.reddit.com/r/Pleroma/comments/yu8xof/pleromas_rebased_fork_vs_akkoma_fork/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Pleroma/comments/yu8xof/pleromas_re... I wonder what the resource requirements of that look like compared to the default Mastodon thing.
- patch_cable 4y ago
  Mentioned above, but I’ve been running Akkoma on a OCI free tier ARM instance with no issues.
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  Mastodon is large and fat??! Finally an honestly named piece of software. If I'm already running a moderately sized $30-or-so-per-month server with its own local database process, that's not very busy. Should it fit on that kind of system just fine, or does it need a lot of CPU, memory, disk space, and/or network bandwidth? Or do you think I'd have to upgrade to a 50-or-so-per-month server? Again, not planning on having many people use it, but I'm just wondering how much baseline and peak overhead there is to just being on the network, along various dimensions.
- rsolva 4y ago
  I've run GoToSocial as my personal instance for a few weeks and although it is still a very young project, it has worked reliably for me. Since it is a Go project is bare uses any resources, ~100mb RAM and almost zero CPU. I host 3 personal accounts connected to ~1000 accounts (folliwers and followed) in total. Run it on my Proxmox at home.
Tepix 4y ago
Very much so!
jacquesm 4y ago
If you're going down that road count me in, I'll chip in for expenses as well, obviously.
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  I know you're actually a robot, so I trust you! It's those pesky humans I'm worried about. Oh shit did I just ROBODOX you, buddy?
  - jacquesm 4y ago
    Ah... guilty as charged. I'll go drink some engine oil now, I feel a bit rusty. Need to recharge soon as well.
genghisjahn 4y ago
https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/apps/mastodon https://marketplace.digitalocean.com/apps/mastodon My costs are more like $18/month.
monkeywork 4y ago
Yes I wish we could have some sort of rule where you could never have more than 100 or so people per server and the community really really focused on making the deploy instructions as simple as possible for people to use with things like Oracles free tier, or the low cost VPS's out there. Mastodon instances with 10's of thousands of users is a TERRIBLE idea for the long term viability of the service.
- Animats 4y ago
  > never have more than 100 or so people per server Is the performance that bad?
  - kragen 4y ago
    no, dealing with thousands of users is that bad on an interpersonal level
  - dsr_ 4y ago
    No, it's to encourage communities to form and admins to be able to have minimal relationships with their users.
- DonHopkins 4y ago
  My main concern isn't CPU performance, but that I don't want to spend any of my own time moderating, and just let on people and robots I trust, if anyone at all. Sounds like it's easy to install on the cloud. Would it make sense to run it on a home server with a good broadband consumer internet connection like fiber? Is there a lot of traffic normally, pushing or pulling or polling?
- kibwen 4y ago
  I agree that having enormous general "catch-all" servers will inevitably lead to low-quality cesspits (like Twitter). But topical mastodon instances are approximately federated subreddits, and subreddits can maintain reasonable quality even with 10,000 subscribers (but once you get much larger than that you start having problems).
PierceJoy 4y ago
Isn’t that just a private Discord? Or do you specifically mean something you can host yourself?
pimeys 4y ago
I am running Akkoma which is an Elixir server with Mastodon-compatible API. Super fast and runs well with my 10€ two server Hetzner setup. https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/ https://akkoma.dev/AkkomaGang/akkoma/
- patch_cable 4y ago
  I am also running Akkoma on a free-tier OCI ARM instance. It runs great. Akkoma also works with the official Mastodon mobile app.

bhoops 4y ago

working example: https://x.goonj.xyz/@paulg@mas.to https://x.goonj.xyz/@paulg@mas.to