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For those who missed it, his Mastodon is: https://mas.to/@paulg https://mas.to/@paulg

by teddyh 4y ago

openair18 4y ago
I’m guessing he got banned for posting this?
- legi0nary 4y ago
  Banned for posting a link to his personal website (which has links to his other social media profiles) Ridiculous.
  - jaf656s 4y ago
    I don't think he posted a link to his personal site, just said the link was there.
    - cesarb 4y ago
      He didn't need to post a link to his personal site; it was already there in his twitter bio.
      - jacurtis 4y ago
        By that logic basically any Twitter user with a link on their profile should be banned. For example Microsoft would have a link to Microsoft.com on their profile and on that webpage there will be links to other competitive social media. In fact, Tesla's Twitter profile links to Tesla.com and at the bottom of that website is a link to Instagram, YouTube, and LinkedIn (in addition to Twitter). Almost anyone with a link to a site in their profile will likely have competitive social media links on that site. PG's website didn't even link to his Mastadon profile, its a plain text representation of his Mastadon handle.
  - Hoyadonis 4y ago
    This is untrue. The link he posted in the tweet was this: https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1604531261791522817 https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/160453126179152281...
  - greggarious 4y ago
    > Banned for posting a link to his personal website (which has links to his other social media profiles) How many levels deep does their new policy go? It sounds like they violated it not Paul... Paul and I disagree on a lot (I've struggled to remember to not post like a Redditor here) but dear lord -- last I looked at HN, it said the guy was leaving Twitter, and Paul doesn't seem like the type to troll on his way out like I am. This is absurd. For context: I'm an amateur comedian in addition to being a hacker. Every set I've done IRL I've asked folks not to record or quote, and had that honored. I specialize in observational comedy -- often rude, insulting observations that approach the limits of American style free expression that I won't repeat here. I've encountered folks who can't take a joke before, but dear lord, the levels of petty coming from Elon Musk are off the charts. Or as I'd say if it was open mic night in an undisclosed location in Appalachia: "Big 'You're not breaking up with me I'm breaking up with you' energy on the bird site tonight ladies and gentlemen."
    - dragonwriter 4y ago
      > How many levels deep does their new policy go? It sounds like they violated it They can’t violate it, because it doesn’t restrict them in any way.
      - greggarious 4y ago
        >They can’t violate it, because it doesn’t restrict them in any way. So to be clear, their policy says if you link to a website that links to a website that links to something other than twitter? Or they were so ambiguous that they can selectively ban whoever they want due to the nature of the internet?
- chrisfosterelli 4y ago
  He didn't even post the link directly, just said that it was on his site.
- Hoyadonis 4y ago
  Not quite. This was his ultimate tweet: >This is my last straw. I give up. You can find a link to my new Mastodon profile on my site. The tweet itself did not contain a link to http://www.paulgraham.com/ http://www.paulgraham.com/, which contains a link to his Mastodon profile. Apparently that was enough to be suspended.
  - cesarb 4y ago
    > http://www.paulgraham.com/ http://www.paulgraham.com/, which contains a link to his Mastodon profile It doesn't even contain a link. It contains the mastodon handle (username and instance), but you can't click on it because it's not a link; you can paste it on the search bar of your own instance to follow him (and see some of his posts, if someone on the same instance has already followed him).
  - deckard1 4y ago
    Paul Graham's mistake was he should have made an NFT of the link and posted that. /s ...maybe? I honestly can't tell anymore
  - hackernewds 4y ago
    What was the last straw for PG?
    - EamonnMR 4y ago
      New policy banning off site social links.
- monksy 4y ago
  You mean this is a quick way to get rid of mostly unused Twitter accounts? I'm in.. I've got a few to knock their total account #s down.. After that make a gdpr request and have fun.
- 2pEXgD0fZ5cF 4y ago
  No, he merely mentioned his website.
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dbish 4y ago
Mastadon UX is really frustrating. Hoping there's a better option for following him in the near future
- boyter 4y ago
  Create your own? There are many implementations over ActivityPub, but you can create your own if you like.
  - dbish 4y ago
    haha, would love to for fun, but not a good business move as consumer network based products are hit driven/hard to cold start/etc., and already 100% dedicate to trying to get my own startup off the ground. Would be a fun project though, and I did take a first stab at a social network with a gaming clip sharing site once, but quickly realized this is a very hard space with very low probability of success when you're competing against a bunch of incumbents that have a network to work with already.
- AJ007 4y ago
  Finally signed up, seems fine. I think the big problem is if the servers will be able to handle the volume.
  - sytelus 4y ago
    The whole server concept is a disaster, IMO. There is no search box for server. There is no information on how to create a server (at least on landing page). A lot of servers require "manual review". Many are "full". I don't know which one of these servers will even survive over time. I use Twitter as my "log" of interesting content and ideas. I rather not put content on server managed by a dude who can be run over by bus tomorrow and then I lose everything in an instant.
    - dym_sh 4y ago
      tbf same bus-factor applies to everything you collect but have you tried simply using bookmarks in your browser — full control, full responsibility also if you on the level of creating and maintaining your own server — its all open source
sytelus 4y ago
It's amazing Mastodon is still so utterly disaster. Where are all the startups? Why is making Twitter clone so hard?
- jacquesm 4y ago
  Making a Twitter clone is probably moderately hard. Doing so in a decentralized way is very hard.
- macintux 4y ago
  Why would anyone fund a startup to reproduce something that’s already wildly popular and successful and still not producing a great ROI? Twitter is hard enough technically, but the global compliance/regulatory challenges must be daunting.
  - arlcode 4y ago
    I have a feeling that Twitter could be politically important enough to have one or more governments reign them in unless Musk manages to calm things down or drive it into the ground. The smartest thing he could do is find some pretext to remove his public persona from the daily operations. He's clearly in over his head (micro managing policy etc) and business sense alone should tell him that.
- jug 4y ago
  Post.news and t2.social are two startups under way
- timeon 4y ago
  > Where are all the startups? Before: Twitter was everywhere - any clone would fail. Now: Twitter is still everywhere. Seems like drug for journalists.
- kzrdude 4y ago
  Mastodon is not really a twitter clone, there's a lot of features they disagree with and don't want.
- 4y ago
ryandvm 4y ago
Would be pretty amusing if Paul Graham decided to invest in the Mastodon ecosystem. That said, I think Elon is a pretty public cautionary tale of why emotionally driven financial decisions are a bad idea.
- fathyb 4y ago
  Not an investment, but a donation to a server is a good start: https://mas.to/@paulg/109536767974913388 https://mas.to/@paulg/109536767974913388

For those who missed it, his Mastodon is: https://mas.to/@paulg https://mas.to/@paulg

by teddyh 4y ago

For those who missed it, his Mastodon is: https://mas.to/@paulg https://mas.to/@paulg

openair18 4y ago

I’m guessing he got banned for posting this?

legi0nary 4y ago
Banned for posting a link to his personal website (which has links to his other social media profiles) Ridiculous.
- jaf656s 4y ago
  I don't think he posted a link to his personal site, just said the link was there.
  - cesarb 4y ago
    He didn't need to post a link to his personal site; it was already there in his twitter bio.
    - jacurtis 4y ago
      By that logic basically any Twitter user with a link on their profile should be banned. For example Microsoft would have a link to Microsoft.com on their profile and on that webpage there will be links to other competitive social media. In fact, Tesla's Twitter profile links to Tesla.com and at the bottom of that website is a link to Instagram, YouTube, and LinkedIn (in addition to Twitter). Almost anyone with a link to a site in their profile will likely have competitive social media links on that site. PG's website didn't even link to his Mastadon profile, its a plain text representation of his Mastadon handle.
- Hoyadonis 4y ago
  This is untrue. The link he posted in the tweet was this: https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/1604531261791522817 https://twitter.com/TwitterSupport/status/160453126179152281...
- greggarious 4y ago
  > Banned for posting a link to his personal website (which has links to his other social media profiles) How many levels deep does their new policy go? It sounds like they violated it not Paul... Paul and I disagree on a lot (I've struggled to remember to not post like a Redditor here) but dear lord -- last I looked at HN, it said the guy was leaving Twitter, and Paul doesn't seem like the type to troll on his way out like I am. This is absurd. For context: I'm an amateur comedian in addition to being a hacker. Every set I've done IRL I've asked folks not to record or quote, and had that honored. I specialize in observational comedy -- often rude, insulting observations that approach the limits of American style free expression that I won't repeat here. I've encountered folks who can't take a joke before, but dear lord, the levels of petty coming from Elon Musk are off the charts. Or as I'd say if it was open mic night in an undisclosed location in Appalachia: "Big 'You're not breaking up with me I'm breaking up with you' energy on the bird site tonight ladies and gentlemen."
  - dragonwriter 4y ago
    > How many levels deep does their new policy go? It sounds like they violated it They can’t violate it, because it doesn’t restrict them in any way.
    - greggarious 4y ago
      >They can’t violate it, because it doesn’t restrict them in any way. So to be clear, their policy says if you link to a website that links to a website that links to something other than twitter? Or they were so ambiguous that they can selectively ban whoever they want due to the nature of the internet?
chrisfosterelli 4y ago
He didn't even post the link directly, just said that it was on his site.
Hoyadonis 4y ago
Not quite. This was his ultimate tweet: >This is my last straw. I give up. You can find a link to my new Mastodon profile on my site. The tweet itself did not contain a link to http://www.paulgraham.com/ http://www.paulgraham.com/, which contains a link to his Mastodon profile. Apparently that was enough to be suspended.
- cesarb 4y ago
  > http://www.paulgraham.com/ http://www.paulgraham.com/, which contains a link to his Mastodon profile It doesn't even contain a link. It contains the mastodon handle (username and instance), but you can't click on it because it's not a link; you can paste it on the search bar of your own instance to follow him (and see some of his posts, if someone on the same instance has already followed him).
- deckard1 4y ago
  Paul Graham's mistake was he should have made an NFT of the link and posted that. /s ...maybe? I honestly can't tell anymore
- hackernewds 4y ago
  What was the last straw for PG?
  - EamonnMR 4y ago
    New policy banning off site social links.
monksy 4y ago
You mean this is a quick way to get rid of mostly unused Twitter accounts? I'm in.. I've got a few to knock their total account #s down.. After that make a gdpr request and have fun.
2pEXgD0fZ5cF 4y ago
No, he merely mentioned his website.

deleted 4y ago

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dbish 4y ago

Mastadon UX is really frustrating. Hoping there's a better option for following him in the near future

boyter 4y ago
Create your own? There are many implementations over ActivityPub, but you can create your own if you like.
- dbish 4y ago
  haha, would love to for fun, but not a good business move as consumer network based products are hit driven/hard to cold start/etc., and already 100% dedicate to trying to get my own startup off the ground. Would be a fun project though, and I did take a first stab at a social network with a gaming clip sharing site once, but quickly realized this is a very hard space with very low probability of success when you're competing against a bunch of incumbents that have a network to work with already.
AJ007 4y ago
Finally signed up, seems fine. I think the big problem is if the servers will be able to handle the volume.
- sytelus 4y ago
  The whole server concept is a disaster, IMO. There is no search box for server. There is no information on how to create a server (at least on landing page). A lot of servers require "manual review". Many are "full". I don't know which one of these servers will even survive over time. I use Twitter as my "log" of interesting content and ideas. I rather not put content on server managed by a dude who can be run over by bus tomorrow and then I lose everything in an instant.
  - dym_sh 4y ago
    tbf same bus-factor applies to everything you collect but have you tried simply using bookmarks in your browser — full control, full responsibility also if you on the level of creating and maintaining your own server — its all open source

sytelus 4y ago

It's amazing Mastodon is still so utterly disaster. Where are all the startups? Why is making Twitter clone so hard?

jacquesm 4y ago
Making a Twitter clone is probably moderately hard. Doing so in a decentralized way is very hard.
macintux 4y ago
Why would anyone fund a startup to reproduce something that’s already wildly popular and successful and still not producing a great ROI? Twitter is hard enough technically, but the global compliance/regulatory challenges must be daunting.
- arlcode 4y ago
  I have a feeling that Twitter could be politically important enough to have one or more governments reign them in unless Musk manages to calm things down or drive it into the ground. The smartest thing he could do is find some pretext to remove his public persona from the daily operations. He's clearly in over his head (micro managing policy etc) and business sense alone should tell him that.
jug 4y ago
Post.news and t2.social are two startups under way
timeon 4y ago
> Where are all the startups? Before: Twitter was everywhere - any clone would fail. Now: Twitter is still everywhere. Seems like drug for journalists.
kzrdude 4y ago
Mastodon is not really a twitter clone, there's a lot of features they disagree with and don't want.
4y ago

ryandvm 4y ago

Would be pretty amusing if Paul Graham decided to invest in the Mastodon ecosystem. That said, I think Elon is a pretty public cautionary tale of why emotionally driven financial decisions are a bad idea.

fathyb 4y ago
Not an investment, but a donation to a server is a good start: https://mas.to/@paulg/109536767974913388 https://mas.to/@paulg/109536767974913388