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In my opinion you shouldn't expect future updates of any kind from software that you own. I wouldn't expect them to keep updating it because it obviously makes

In my opinion you shouldn't expect future updates of any kind from software that you own. I wouldn't expect them to keep updating it because it obviously makes them no money. I would expect them to release a new product to keep making money.

Gigachad 4y ago
No I don't expect it because it's obviously impossible to be sustainable. Which is why I choose subscription stuff because then I can expect a constant stream of new value for my payment or I cancel the subscription.
ghaff 4y ago
The problem is that OS upgrades are frequently needed for security and bug fixes and those upgrades are often required by other applications--but a new OS version may break your older application. I suppose you can play around with VMs to keep an old OS and application together--that was one of the original virtualization use cases--but that gets awkward after a while.
- skelpmargyar 4y ago
  That's like the car you bought in 2022 to run on the fuel used in the year 2500. Whether it's annoying or not, that it does or doesn't run on new technology, doesn't matter. You paid for a product, not upgrades (unless you did pay for upgrades, of course). You shouldn't expect free upgrades because they certainly were not free to create.
lapcat 4y ago
> I wouldn't expect them to keep updating it because it obviously makes them no money. What do you mean by this exactly? There are always new customers to sell to, so of course you can make money by updating your product. Will the buyer continue to receive free software updates forever? No, probably not. Eventually they may have to pay an upgrade fee. But the great part about upgrade fees compared to subscription is that the choice and timing of whether or not to upgrade is in the buyer's hands. Whereas with a subscription, it's a forced update, with the timing determined by the software developer, not the buyer. You pay yearly, or the software stops working now.
- jasonlotito 4y ago
  This is why I think JetBrains nailed the pricing with IntelliJ. You own what you buy, and can use it forever. You pay for upgrades. That's it.
- skelpmargyar 4y ago
  Well, it makes them no more money from me. My maximum value has been extracted. Whether that's a solid business plan or not is not my argument. I'm saying that if I paid for something I don't expect any changes at all. If good changes happen, great. If bad changes happen, I should be able to decide if I can retain the product that I paid for. Whether the changes are free or not is not important because changing anything at all would be make the thing a new unique product. I just want the choice to keep it the same, something subscriptions don't offer. Because, well, that's what a subscription service means. But if I bought a newspaper subscription, I wouldn't expect them to fix a typo after they already delivered a newspaper. Typos happen, bugs happen, I don't buy a product expecting perfection. I expect to get to use the product I paid for, for the time agreed upon.

Gigachad 4y ago

No I don't expect it because it's obviously impossible to be sustainable. Which is why I choose subscription stuff because then I can expect a constant stream of new value for my payment or I cancel the subscription.

ghaff 4y ago

The problem is that OS upgrades are frequently needed for security and bug fixes and those upgrades are often required by other applications--but a new OS version may break your older application. I suppose you can play around with VMs to keep an old OS and application together--that was one of the original virtualization use cases--but that gets awkward after a while.

skelpmargyar 4y ago
That's like the car you bought in 2022 to run on the fuel used in the year 2500. Whether it's annoying or not, that it does or doesn't run on new technology, doesn't matter. You paid for a product, not upgrades (unless you did pay for upgrades, of course). You shouldn't expect free upgrades because they certainly were not free to create.

lapcat 4y ago

> I wouldn't expect them to keep updating it because it obviously makes them no money. What do you mean by this exactly? There are always new customers to sell to, so of course you can make money by updating your product. Will the buyer continue to receive free software updates forever? No, probably not. Eventually they may have to pay an upgrade fee. But the great part about upgrade fees compared to subscription is that the choice and timing of whether or not to upgrade is in the buyer's hands. Whereas with a subscription, it's a forced update, with the timing determined by the software developer, not the buyer. You pay yearly, or the software stops working now.

jasonlotito 4y ago
This is why I think JetBrains nailed the pricing with IntelliJ. You own what you buy, and can use it forever. You pay for upgrades. That's it.
skelpmargyar 4y ago
Well, it makes them no more money from me. My maximum value has been extracted. Whether that's a solid business plan or not is not my argument. I'm saying that if I paid for something I don't expect any changes at all. If good changes happen, great. If bad changes happen, I should be able to decide if I can retain the product that I paid for. Whether the changes are free or not is not important because changing anything at all would be make the thing a new unique product. I just want the choice to keep it the same, something subscriptions don't offer. Because, well, that's what a subscription service means. But if I bought a newspaper subscription, I wouldn't expect them to fix a typo after they already delivered a newspaper. Typos happen, bugs happen, I don't buy a product expecting perfection. I expect to get to use the product I paid for, for the time agreed upon.