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Elon is undoubtedly smart. It also seems like maybe he's on a mental health episode or just got so rich he decided he's done with building companies and just w

Elon is undoubtedly smart. It also seems like maybe he's on a mental health episode or just got so rich he decided he's done with building companies and just wants to be an asshole out of spite. Who knows? But he's accomplished plenty of things that suggest he's not an idiot.

rc_mob 4y ago
- ren_engineer 4y ago
  do morons get accepted into Stanford's STEM PhD programs? You can hate Musk for his personality and maybe say he has mental health issues but to say he's stupid seems strange
  - gre 4y ago
    Money can get you into any university program. I did a google search, he left after two days. This is not impressive.
  - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
    If this is to be believed [1], what you describe: > do morons get accepted into Stanford's STEM PhD programs is a lie perpetuated by Musk and co. [1] contains links to court documents. According to the court documents, not only does he not have a physics or other technical degree, he obtained a bachelor in Econ in 1997, not a physics degree in 1995. The scan of the diploma does not specify department, has no year date, and is a bachelor of arts. [1] https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593307541932474368 https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/159330754193247436...
    - vikramkr 4y ago
      The diploma is a bachelor of arts, so that's definitely not the business degree and is probably for physics. Penn, like most liberal arts schools, offers a bachelor's in arts for stem fields. IIRC he did an uncoordinated dual degree and his wharton degree would have been a bachelor of science in economics (its not really an econ major, its a business major, the real econ major is a bachelor of arts), while his college of arts and science degree was a bachelor of arts in physics.
      - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
        Given that the degree does not list a department, and that the court documents claim otherwise, I am inclined to disagree with your conclusion.
        vikramkr 4y ago
        So, if his only degree is a bachelor of science in economics like the filing claims, what's the scan of the bachelor of arts degree then? He's got some sort of secret other degree in biology or chemistry he's never told anyone about? Fwiw he's listed as having a ba physics and bs econ in the alumni directory, and penn has confirmed those in emails, so like, you can pretend that he doesn't have the degrees he has, but idk what that accomplishes. And maybe he said a few times that he had a b.s. in physics (which is not a thing at penn) instead of a ba but that's meaningless
        gateorade 4y ago
        I’m not an Elon basher but I’m genuinely confused by what you’re saying. You’re saying the fact he has a BA implies it’s something in STEM rather than Econ? Maybe I’m wrong but isn’t a BA the degree you would expect to get an basically any school when studying Econ?
        vikramkr 4y ago
        This is specific to Penn, where elon went, and the post does mention that they believe he only has a BS in econ, not the ba, but then dont explain why they have a screenshot of a ba. (Also fwiw I am personally a bit of an elon basher now, I really think he's gone off the deep end with twitter). Elon did a dual degree, one bachelor in the business school (wharton) and one in the arts and sciences school (aka the college). Basically, whether a degree is a bachelor of arts or sciences is totally meaningless, schools do whatever they want (science and math are both liberal arts). At penn, the undergrad business degree is a bachelor of science in economics. You wouldn't call yourself an econ major with that degree though, since you only take 3 or 4 econ classes for that degree, you would call yourself a business major or identify by your concentration (e.g. finance, marketing. The alumni portal shows that elon concentrated in entrepreneurial management, idk if thats complete since ive heard the university confirmed he has a second concentration). The college hosts your liberal arts majors - physics, biology, chemistry, math, English, history, sociology, (real) economics, anthropology, gender studies, the works. All these are bachelor of arts degrees. I believe there's even a BA version of computer science that's offered (as distinct from the bachelor of science in engineering (BSE) in Computer science or the bachelor of applied science (BAS) in computer science degrees the engineering school offers). So if you say he has a wharton business degree (the post mentions they've confirmed the b.s. economics), and you also have evidence of a bachelor of arts granted the same year, then that BA needs explanation. I guess theoretically he could have gotten an econ major from the college too, I'm sure some hedge fund wannabes do that. These sorts of dual degrees are super common at penn btw, through formal and informal programs (e.g. i have a ba biology and bs econ) But the ground truth here is that he has a ba in physics from the college and a bs econ (aka business degree) from wharton and when asked to provide evidence of his physics degree, he correctly provided his ba. And also that at some point elok screwed up and said he had a bs physics (which is not a thing at penn) instead of a ba which they've latched onto.
    - vikramkr 4y ago
      Wait also the date is literally right there on the diploma so idk where the no date statement comes from - that frankly calls the credibility of that "reporting" into question when it literally says anno salutis mcmxvii right on the image they've annotated with the claim that the diploma doesn't contain the date
  - rocho 4y ago
    Among many other lies, Musk lied about his Physics PhD too and that's now well known and documented.
- inglor_cz 4y ago
  He is smart, but smartness is overrated. How do I know? Because I am pretty smart as well, with a PhD from math, but that didn't stop me from making a series of stupid mistakes in my life. Sometimes out of sheer optimism, sometimes because I missed some crucial information, sometimes because closeness to some other person made me miss important red flags, sometimes because I overextended my abilities, sometimes because I underestimated my adversaries. If I bought Twitter, I would have run it into the ground in days.

rc_mob 4y ago

ren_engineer 4y ago
do morons get accepted into Stanford's STEM PhD programs? You can hate Musk for his personality and maybe say he has mental health issues but to say he's stupid seems strange
- gre 4y ago
  Money can get you into any university program. I did a google search, he left after two days. This is not impressive.
- PartiallyTyped 4y ago
  If this is to be believed [1], what you describe: > do morons get accepted into Stanford's STEM PhD programs is a lie perpetuated by Musk and co. [1] contains links to court documents. According to the court documents, not only does he not have a physics or other technical degree, he obtained a bachelor in Econ in 1997, not a physics degree in 1995. The scan of the diploma does not specify department, has no year date, and is a bachelor of arts. [1] https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/1593307541932474368 https://twitter.com/capitolhunters/status/159330754193247436...
  - vikramkr 4y ago
    The diploma is a bachelor of arts, so that's definitely not the business degree and is probably for physics. Penn, like most liberal arts schools, offers a bachelor's in arts for stem fields. IIRC he did an uncoordinated dual degree and his wharton degree would have been a bachelor of science in economics (its not really an econ major, its a business major, the real econ major is a bachelor of arts), while his college of arts and science degree was a bachelor of arts in physics.
    - PartiallyTyped 4y ago
      Given that the degree does not list a department, and that the court documents claim otherwise, I am inclined to disagree with your conclusion.
      - vikramkr 4y ago
        So, if his only degree is a bachelor of science in economics like the filing claims, what's the scan of the bachelor of arts degree then? He's got some sort of secret other degree in biology or chemistry he's never told anyone about? Fwiw he's listed as having a ba physics and bs econ in the alumni directory, and penn has confirmed those in emails, so like, you can pretend that he doesn't have the degrees he has, but idk what that accomplishes. And maybe he said a few times that he had a b.s. in physics (which is not a thing at penn) instead of a ba but that's meaningless
        gateorade 4y ago
        I’m not an Elon basher but I’m genuinely confused by what you’re saying. You’re saying the fact he has a BA implies it’s something in STEM rather than Econ? Maybe I’m wrong but isn’t a BA the degree you would expect to get an basically any school when studying Econ?
        vikramkr 4y ago
        This is specific to Penn, where elon went, and the post does mention that they believe he only has a BS in econ, not the ba, but then dont explain why they have a screenshot of a ba. (Also fwiw I am personally a bit of an elon basher now, I really think he's gone off the deep end with twitter). Elon did a dual degree, one bachelor in the business school (wharton) and one in the arts and sciences school (aka the college). Basically, whether a degree is a bachelor of arts or sciences is totally meaningless, schools do whatever they want (science and math are both liberal arts). At penn, the undergrad business degree is a bachelor of science in economics. You wouldn't call yourself an econ major with that degree though, since you only take 3 or 4 econ classes for that degree, you would call yourself a business major or identify by your concentration (e.g. finance, marketing. The alumni portal shows that elon concentrated in entrepreneurial management, idk if thats complete since ive heard the university confirmed he has a second concentration). The college hosts your liberal arts majors - physics, biology, chemistry, math, English, history, sociology, (real) economics, anthropology, gender studies, the works. All these are bachelor of arts degrees. I believe there's even a BA version of computer science that's offered (as distinct from the bachelor of science in engineering (BSE) in Computer science or the bachelor of applied science (BAS) in computer science degrees the engineering school offers). So if you say he has a wharton business degree (the post mentions they've confirmed the b.s. economics), and you also have evidence of a bachelor of arts granted the same year, then that BA needs explanation. I guess theoretically he could have gotten an econ major from the college too, I'm sure some hedge fund wannabes do that. These sorts of dual degrees are super common at penn btw, through formal and informal programs (e.g. i have a ba biology and bs econ) But the ground truth here is that he has a ba in physics from the college and a bs econ (aka business degree) from wharton and when asked to provide evidence of his physics degree, he correctly provided his ba. And also that at some point elok screwed up and said he had a bs physics (which is not a thing at penn) instead of a ba which they've latched onto.
  - vikramkr 4y ago
    Wait also the date is literally right there on the diploma so idk where the no date statement comes from - that frankly calls the credibility of that "reporting" into question when it literally says anno salutis mcmxvii right on the image they've annotated with the claim that the diploma doesn't contain the date
- rocho 4y ago
  Among many other lies, Musk lied about his Physics PhD too and that's now well known and documented.
inglor_cz 4y ago
He is smart, but smartness is overrated. How do I know? Because I am pretty smart as well, with a PhD from math, but that didn't stop me from making a series of stupid mistakes in my life. Sometimes out of sheer optimism, sometimes because I missed some crucial information, sometimes because closeness to some other person made me miss important red flags, sometimes because I overextended my abilities, sometimes because I underestimated my adversaries. If I bought Twitter, I would have run it into the ground in days.