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Oh yeah, that would have been SO much better and less controversial than a shootout. What a great way to end 120 minutes of people pouring their heart out. A co

Oh yeah, that would have been SO much better and less controversial than a shootout. What a great way to end 120 minutes of people pouring their heart out. A coin flip

huhtenberg 4y ago
But teams are on par - so either crown them both or choose randomly. Penalties is just a more elaborate form of a coin flip, still largely random.
- dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
  People are not robots. Penalties do test the nerves of both teams. And besides, the feeling of fairness is more important than actual fairness in football. We don't watch it to get a perfectly stat driven understanding of the game, but because it's fun and emotional.
- webkike 4y ago
  It is random, it’s definitely not as random as a coin flip
- jogjayr 4y ago
  If penalties were truly random then teams wouldn't practice them. Goalkeepers wouldn't study their opponents' past penalties or use cheatsheets when facing kicks. There wouldn't be so much analysis and game theory poured into the perfect sequencing of kick-takers. It's true that penalties test fewer skills than a full-fledged game of football. But they are still a contest of skill, not a game of chance.
- mk89 4y ago
  Penalties are not random at all. There is a reason why some teams suck big time on penalties while others nail them all the time (or almost always, depending on the generation, players, etc).
  - huhtenberg 4y ago
    I meant "random" is a sense that it doesn't really reflect which team is the best in the world. Penalties is a player-specific skill, but the football is a team sport first and foremost and the world champion status should reflect that.
    - h4n1 4y ago
      If all that matters is to recognize the best team, then why bother with a knockoit stage, or even a world cup tournament? Just collate stats. The point is to play the game, and if both teams are evenly matched in regular play, to move to an acceptable tiebreaker so that someone wins. France has still come a very close 2nd place, which the tournament does reflect.

Oh yeah, that would have been SO much better and less controversial than a shootout. What a great way to end 120 minutes of people pouring their heart out. A coin flip

huhtenberg 4y ago

But teams are on par - so either crown them both or choose randomly. Penalties is just a more elaborate form of a coin flip, still largely random.

dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
People are not robots. Penalties do test the nerves of both teams. And besides, the feeling of fairness is more important than actual fairness in football. We don't watch it to get a perfectly stat driven understanding of the game, but because it's fun and emotional.
webkike 4y ago
It is random, it’s definitely not as random as a coin flip
jogjayr 4y ago
If penalties were truly random then teams wouldn't practice them. Goalkeepers wouldn't study their opponents' past penalties or use cheatsheets when facing kicks. There wouldn't be so much analysis and game theory poured into the perfect sequencing of kick-takers. It's true that penalties test fewer skills than a full-fledged game of football. But they are still a contest of skill, not a game of chance.
mk89 4y ago
Penalties are not random at all. There is a reason why some teams suck big time on penalties while others nail them all the time (or almost always, depending on the generation, players, etc).
- huhtenberg 4y ago
  I meant "random" is a sense that it doesn't really reflect which team is the best in the world. Penalties is a player-specific skill, but the football is a team sport first and foremost and the world champion status should reflect that.
  - h4n1 4y ago
    If all that matters is to recognize the best team, then why bother with a knockoit stage, or even a world cup tournament? Just collate stats. The point is to play the game, and if both teams are evenly matched in regular play, to move to an acceptable tiebreaker so that someone wins. France has still come a very close 2nd place, which the tournament does reflect.