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France were poor up until the 75th min then showed up. Argentina thought it was in the bag at 2-0 but then France did what France do. Messi was a passenger from

France were poor up until the 75th min then showed up. Argentina thought it was in the bag at 2-0 but then France did what France do. Messi was a passenger from the 2nd half on and was out of steam in ET. France blew it late in ET with two golden chances. Winning on penalties is a crap shoot so down to luck. Mbappe was really the star of this WC Final dragging France back from the brink and nearly getting them over the line. Messi didn't have a great game from HT.

rcarr 4y ago
> "Messi was a passenger from the 2nd half on and was out of steam in ET" He scored a bloody goal in ET!
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- phreack 4y ago
  I am convinced everyone is watching a different game in every country at this point.
- gus_massa 4y ago
  The problem with Messi is that he looks like the is watching the grass grow, or a butterfly or something. And then he makes a goal, sometimes a great goal. Other players have a more fighting image, and they run here and there, and scream, and look more connected to the game. The choice a nice fighting image or almost a goal per game. Edit: YouTube just suggested me https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b6qBbLxP53s https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b6qBbLxP53s
wslh 4y ago
It was not luck, it was Dibu [1] at the end. He is not lucky, he is an ace. Also Messi is 35 while Mbappe is 23. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emiliano_Mart%C3%ADnez https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emiliano_Mart%C3%ADnez
- sys_64738 4y ago
  Penalties are always pot luck. Also, Mbappe has now score four times in two WC Finals. Not bad for a 23yo.
  - dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
    Partly luck sure, but Emi's gotten into his opponents heads quite well, if you've seen his other penalty shootouts (.. so many this WC). The little "shoot the ball away" tactic did cause the unforced error from.. one of the French players, cba to look it up. > Mbappe has now score four times in two WC Finals. Not bad for a 23yo. Yeah absolutely, he's taking the record for sure. He carried the team on his back. Messi's been doing that for longer though.
switch007 4y ago
If scoring a goal is “out of steam”, what is full of steam for you? Hah
- frontman1988 4y ago
  That goal was from a rebound, not as impressive as Mbappe's second goal which also happened because Messi lost possession rather lazily. And seriously Messi was literally walking even when the Argentinians were attacking. It really felt Messi was out of steam. He lost possession a lot, couldn't convert atleast two opportunities even though he got into the D and shot at the center of the goal right where the keeper was standing in the final minutes in extra time. Messi is a legend, but today Mbappe outshone him.
niffydroid 4y ago
As an England fan, I didn't think they were that good against us, England were the better side who just couldn't convert. The ref helped them a lot, their first goal came after they fouled an England player and they didn't even get the ball when doing so. Overall they don't actually look world cup winners playing us.
- pritambaral 4y ago
  Neither did Argentina against Saudi Arabia.
- lairv 4y ago
  At least France has players able to score 2 penalties
  - Def_Os 4y ago
    Sick burn. Agreed with op though
SSJPython 4y ago
Mbappe is like a combination of Ronaldo Nazario and Thierry Henry. He needs to stay injury-free, however. And at some point he will need to adapt his game to account for the eventual loss of pace that comes with age.
- wittycardio 4y ago
  Most exciting player I've ever seen on a football pitch. Messi is better but for pure entertainment value no one beats mbappe right now
- dfadsf4 4y ago
  Mbappe is amazing, great, awesome player, hope he keep getting better and play again, this sport is like this, you can get back and win where you've once lost.
frontman1988 4y ago
France were pathetic up to that point. I remember there were 0 shots on target for like 3/4th of the game. That really shouldn't have happened in a world cup final.
- coffeebeqn 4y ago
  Finally not having Benzema (and Pogba) caught up to them. Giroud was completely useless when they don’t control the game
  - NickC25 4y ago
    I thought it was more not having Kante than Pogba or Benzema. Argentina faced little to no pressure in the midfield and the only times France could really muster an attack it came through the wing-backs (namely Hernandez and then Camavinga) or even their centerhalves (Upamecano) were pushing forward and playing line-breaking passes. France surrendered the midfield from the get-go. That midfield was key to their counter-attacking game in 2018.
ESMirro 4y ago
“Mbappe was really the star of this WC Final” This is the narrative, but it’s far from reality. Mbappe was invisible for 80 minutes, his refusal to track back and defend in part the reason France were forced to sub off Giroud and move Mbappe into the centre. He scored two penalties, admittedly that requires nerves of steel but it’s not particularly impressive given they’ve a high xG, and scored an excellent second goal. Typically players are judged on their quality throughout the entire game, not a moment of quality in an otherwise drab performance, but this seems to be the modern way - the highlights are more important. To that end Messi was involved in everything, created the second goal with an excellent through ball into space, scored twice, and set up numerous chances that Martinez was unable to finish. A far more impactful performance.
- dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
  If we're gonna go that route then Emi deserves the hero title just for that save at 120+3'.. not just for how important it was, but how unlikely it was and what followed after.
  - ESMirro 4y ago
    It was a vital stop, and he absolutely deserved the golden glove over Lloris for it. I’m not sure I see how it counters my argument though - had Martinez let everything past him for the first 80 minutes (not that France actually had a shot during that time, but hypothetically) whilst an excellent Argentine attack kept it level, that save alone wouldn’t cement greatness as the rest of his performance was subpar. This is essentially the crux of my argument regarding Mbappe, he was far too quiet for far too long and didn’t play for the team often enough to deserve such plaudits.
    - dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
      Yes, you're right :) I'm still just star struck with how well he did the whole tournament, is all.
      - 4y ago

rcarr 4y ago

> "Messi was a passenger from the 2nd half on and was out of steam in ET" He scored a bloody goal in ET!

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phreack 4y ago
I am convinced everyone is watching a different game in every country at this point.
gus_massa 4y ago
The problem with Messi is that he looks like the is watching the grass grow, or a butterfly or something. And then he makes a goal, sometimes a great goal. Other players have a more fighting image, and they run here and there, and scream, and look more connected to the game. The choice a nice fighting image or almost a goal per game. Edit: YouTube just suggested me https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b6qBbLxP53s https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b6qBbLxP53s

wslh 4y ago

It was not luck, it was Dibu [1] at the end. He is not lucky, he is an ace. Also Messi is 35 while Mbappe is 23. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emiliano_Mart%C3%ADnez https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emiliano_Mart%C3%ADnez

sys_64738 4y ago
Penalties are always pot luck. Also, Mbappe has now score four times in two WC Finals. Not bad for a 23yo.
- dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
  Partly luck sure, but Emi's gotten into his opponents heads quite well, if you've seen his other penalty shootouts (.. so many this WC). The little "shoot the ball away" tactic did cause the unforced error from.. one of the French players, cba to look it up. > Mbappe has now score four times in two WC Finals. Not bad for a 23yo. Yeah absolutely, he's taking the record for sure. He carried the team on his back. Messi's been doing that for longer though.

switch007 4y ago

If scoring a goal is “out of steam”, what is full of steam for you? Hah

frontman1988 4y ago
That goal was from a rebound, not as impressive as Mbappe's second goal which also happened because Messi lost possession rather lazily. And seriously Messi was literally walking even when the Argentinians were attacking. It really felt Messi was out of steam. He lost possession a lot, couldn't convert atleast two opportunities even though he got into the D and shot at the center of the goal right where the keeper was standing in the final minutes in extra time. Messi is a legend, but today Mbappe outshone him.

niffydroid 4y ago

As an England fan, I didn't think they were that good against us, England were the better side who just couldn't convert. The ref helped them a lot, their first goal came after they fouled an England player and they didn't even get the ball when doing so. Overall they don't actually look world cup winners playing us.

pritambaral 4y ago
Neither did Argentina against Saudi Arabia.
lairv 4y ago
At least France has players able to score 2 penalties
- Def_Os 4y ago
  Sick burn. Agreed with op though

SSJPython 4y ago

Mbappe is like a combination of Ronaldo Nazario and Thierry Henry. He needs to stay injury-free, however. And at some point he will need to adapt his game to account for the eventual loss of pace that comes with age.

wittycardio 4y ago
Most exciting player I've ever seen on a football pitch. Messi is better but for pure entertainment value no one beats mbappe right now
dfadsf4 4y ago
Mbappe is amazing, great, awesome player, hope he keep getting better and play again, this sport is like this, you can get back and win where you've once lost.

frontman1988 4y ago

France were pathetic up to that point. I remember there were 0 shots on target for like 3/4th of the game. That really shouldn't have happened in a world cup final.

coffeebeqn 4y ago
Finally not having Benzema (and Pogba) caught up to them. Giroud was completely useless when they don’t control the game
- NickC25 4y ago
  I thought it was more not having Kante than Pogba or Benzema. Argentina faced little to no pressure in the midfield and the only times France could really muster an attack it came through the wing-backs (namely Hernandez and then Camavinga) or even their centerhalves (Upamecano) were pushing forward and playing line-breaking passes. France surrendered the midfield from the get-go. That midfield was key to their counter-attacking game in 2018.

ESMirro 4y ago

“Mbappe was really the star of this WC Final” This is the narrative, but it’s far from reality. Mbappe was invisible for 80 minutes, his refusal to track back and defend in part the reason France were forced to sub off Giroud and move Mbappe into the centre. He scored two penalties, admittedly that requires nerves of steel but it’s not particularly impressive given they’ve a high xG, and scored an excellent second goal. Typically players are judged on their quality throughout the entire game, not a moment of quality in an otherwise drab performance, but this seems to be the modern way - the highlights are more important. To that end Messi was involved in everything, created the second goal with an excellent through ball into space, scored twice, and set up numerous chances that Martinez was unable to finish. A far more impactful performance.

dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
If we're gonna go that route then Emi deserves the hero title just for that save at 120+3'.. not just for how important it was, but how unlikely it was and what followed after.
- ESMirro 4y ago
  It was a vital stop, and he absolutely deserved the golden glove over Lloris for it. I’m not sure I see how it counters my argument though - had Martinez let everything past him for the first 80 minutes (not that France actually had a shot during that time, but hypothetically) whilst an excellent Argentine attack kept it level, that save alone wouldn’t cement greatness as the rest of his performance was subpar. This is essentially the crux of my argument regarding Mbappe, he was far too quiet for far too long and didn’t play for the team often enough to deserve such plaudits.
  - dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
    Yes, you're right :) I'm still just star struck with how well he did the whole tournament, is all.
    - 4y ago