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I think it's because the concept of having a stable career that allows people to have a good life, family, house and retirement seems more and more out of reach

I think it's because the concept of having a stable career that allows people to have a good life, family, house and retirement seems more and more out of reach for a lot of people. So get-rich-quick schemes appear the only way out. And after the 2008 bailouts it became pretty clear that there are different rules for different people and it's ok to lie to people if you are just brazen enough.

CSMastermind 4y ago
This feels a bit revisionist to me. There's a long and storied history of conmen, charlatans, and scam artists going back to at least thousands of years and probably to the dawn of human culture. I haven't seen any evidence yet that would lead me to believe the rate of scams are rising or that there's been a significant change in human behavior regarding this recently.
- BLKNSLVR 4y ago
  It's not the rate, it's the reach.
- akudha 4y ago
  Are people more racist, sexist, dumb etc today, compared to 50-100 years ago? I’d guess no, but it feels that way because of the global and instant nature of the internet. YouTube is filled with videos of people doing dumb things. Similarly, a conman can reach hundreds of millions of people today vs a few thousand at best, 100 years ago. It is also cheaper. Everything is amplified and today - especially bad behavior.
_fat_santa 4y ago
> And after the 2008 bailouts it became pretty clear that there are different rules for different people I think part of the problem lies here. We have this notion that there are those rich and powerful few, and there is the rest of us plebeians. Everyone wants to be the person that cracks the code and joins the ranks of the elite. All of a sudden that scammy crypto project looks like your ticket in and "all the haters just don't know". One of the best things I've learned looking at this crap for the past few years is there really are no shortcuts, and any shortcut that's getting sold to you is snake oil.
- gardenhedge 4y ago
  That notion is true. The wealth gap exists and grows bigger all the time.
checkyoursudo 4y ago
> And after the 2008 bailouts it became pretty clear that there are different rules for different people and it's ok to lie to people if you are just brazen enough. Sadly, I think this has been merely a general rule that each generation must learn for itself. It was pretty clear before 2008 as well. Every ancient civilization has some sort of trickster god, after all.
- rqtwteye 4y ago
  I used to be a free market guy. 2008 definitely broke something in me. Suddenly it was clear that the preachers on Wall Street that talked about “creative destruction” didn’t like that concept as much anymore when it came to them. And then I realized that the Fed and both parties only worried about the bankers and gave a sh.t about the little guy. COVID was the same. Rich got richer, poor got poorer. And inflation was blamed on the subsidies for the little guys but not on the massive money printing for the big guys. We are led by sociopaths .
epolanski 4y ago
There's plenty of work and opportunities right now in the world, not even a war between a top 30 economies following a virus wave has changed this. People have been brainwashed that you need money, lots of it, to live a great life, socials magnify those sick ideas.

CSMastermind 4y ago

This feels a bit revisionist to me. There's a long and storied history of conmen, charlatans, and scam artists going back to at least thousands of years and probably to the dawn of human culture. I haven't seen any evidence yet that would lead me to believe the rate of scams are rising or that there's been a significant change in human behavior regarding this recently.

BLKNSLVR 4y ago
It's not the rate, it's the reach.
akudha 4y ago
Are people more racist, sexist, dumb etc today, compared to 50-100 years ago? I’d guess no, but it feels that way because of the global and instant nature of the internet. YouTube is filled with videos of people doing dumb things. Similarly, a conman can reach hundreds of millions of people today vs a few thousand at best, 100 years ago. It is also cheaper. Everything is amplified and today - especially bad behavior.

_fat_santa 4y ago

> And after the 2008 bailouts it became pretty clear that there are different rules for different people I think part of the problem lies here. We have this notion that there are those rich and powerful few, and there is the rest of us plebeians. Everyone wants to be the person that cracks the code and joins the ranks of the elite. All of a sudden that scammy crypto project looks like your ticket in and "all the haters just don't know". One of the best things I've learned looking at this crap for the past few years is there really are no shortcuts, and any shortcut that's getting sold to you is snake oil.

gardenhedge 4y ago
That notion is true. The wealth gap exists and grows bigger all the time.

checkyoursudo 4y ago

> And after the 2008 bailouts it became pretty clear that there are different rules for different people and it's ok to lie to people if you are just brazen enough. Sadly, I think this has been merely a general rule that each generation must learn for itself. It was pretty clear before 2008 as well. Every ancient civilization has some sort of trickster god, after all.

rqtwteye 4y ago
I used to be a free market guy. 2008 definitely broke something in me. Suddenly it was clear that the preachers on Wall Street that talked about “creative destruction” didn’t like that concept as much anymore when it came to them. And then I realized that the Fed and both parties only worried about the bankers and gave a sh.t about the little guy. COVID was the same. Rich got richer, poor got poorer. And inflation was blamed on the subsidies for the little guys but not on the massive money printing for the big guys. We are led by sociopaths .

epolanski 4y ago

There's plenty of work and opportunities right now in the world, not even a war between a top 30 economies following a virus wave has changed this. People have been brainwashed that you need money, lots of it, to live a great life, socials magnify those sick ideas.