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Could you please go into more detail? Specific policies and their consequences and how you would change them?

by bbkane 4y ago

giraffe_lady 4y ago
No, I'm not going to here today, but I will explain why. On HN every concrete suggestion must be an absolute fortress of a comment: flawlessly argued and meticulously sourced. Especially an in-this-context radical position like "don't blame the homeless for their situation" will have any exposed detail picked at, and that interaction will be read as discrediting the policy itself rather than a reflection on the context where we're having the conversation. So here is the point I am making: letting people suffer and die in poverty in the center of one of the largest engines of wealth generation in history is wicked. Blaming them for it is monstrous. There are many policies this view could lead you to and I spend a lot of time working towards them with others who are working towards them. But that isn't here! Here I am just trying to get people to see the humanity in the people on the street.
- INeedMoreRam 4y ago
  - giraffe_lady 4y ago
    You would use your power only to harm them, why would they not use theirs likewise to make you suffer? This is the world you're trying to create?
  - feet 4y ago
    You seem to have zero empathy for people in different situations than your own. Who hurt you?
    - s1artibartfast 4y ago
      People are hostile because it is personal, and people have indeed been hurt and harmed by the people in different situations. It is difficult to maintain empathy for individuals who rob and assault you and your family.
      - feet 4y ago
        I didn't realise he was robbed by all of the homeless people, actually I'm rather impressed now that I know that. Was it purposeful? How does one get robbed by so many people?
  - dang 4y ago
    You can't vandalize HN like this here. Since you've posted quite a few flamewar comments in other threads too, I've banned the account. Please don't create accounts to do that with. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
- mistersquid 4y ago
  > letting people suffer and die in poverty in the center of one of the largest engines of wealth generation in history is wicked. Blaming them for it is monstrous. Thank you for reminding of the larger context in which the dehumanization of our fellow brothers and sisters occurs. The state is failing to care for its weakest due to 50 years of unfettered accumulative greed and individuals hearts’ have hardened as a psychological coping mechanism against an inability to help. This in the season of charity and good will, no less.
  - throwoutway 4y ago
    I’ve always thought it disturbing that the center of wealth has such poverty but doesn’t California and San Francisco spend the most tax payer money on the homeless? Hundreds of millions? Can’t hundreds of millions prevent this? Are they really letting them suffer and die? And why can’t the taxpayer funded police stop a crime on Walgreens? That question hasn’t been answered
    - godzillabrennus 4y ago
      Government creates this problem by making it impossible to build more housing. Government can’t fix the problem without addressing the cause. It’s just a jobs program for government workers and a complete failure.

Could you please go into more detail? Specific policies and their consequences and how you would change them?

by bbkane 4y ago

Could you please go into more detail? Specific policies and their consequences and how you would change them?

No, I'm not going to here today, but I will explain why. On HN every concrete suggestion must be an absolute fortress of a comment: flawlessly argued and meticulously sourced. Especially an in-this-context radical position like "don't blame the homeless for their situation" will have any exposed detail picked at, and that interaction will be read as discrediting the policy itself rather than a reflection on the context where we're having the conversation. So here is the point I am making: letting people suffer and die in poverty in the center of one of the largest engines of wealth generation in history is wicked. Blaming them for it is monstrous. There are many policies this view could lead you to and I spend a lot of time working towards them with others who are working towards them. But that isn't here! Here I am just trying to get people to see the humanity in the people on the street.

INeedMoreRam 4y ago
- giraffe_lady 4y ago
  You would use your power only to harm them, why would they not use theirs likewise to make you suffer? This is the world you're trying to create?
- feet 4y ago
  You seem to have zero empathy for people in different situations than your own. Who hurt you?
  - s1artibartfast 4y ago
    People are hostile because it is personal, and people have indeed been hurt and harmed by the people in different situations. It is difficult to maintain empathy for individuals who rob and assault you and your family.
    - feet 4y ago
      I didn't realise he was robbed by all of the homeless people, actually I'm rather impressed now that I know that. Was it purposeful? How does one get robbed by so many people?
- dang 4y ago
  You can't vandalize HN like this here. Since you've posted quite a few flamewar comments in other threads too, I've banned the account. Please don't create accounts to do that with. If you don't want to be banned, you're welcome to email hn@ycombinator.com and give us reason to believe that you'll follow the rules in the future. They're here: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.
mistersquid 4y ago
> letting people suffer and die in poverty in the center of one of the largest engines of wealth generation in history is wicked. Blaming them for it is monstrous. Thank you for reminding of the larger context in which the dehumanization of our fellow brothers and sisters occurs. The state is failing to care for its weakest due to 50 years of unfettered accumulative greed and individuals hearts’ have hardened as a psychological coping mechanism against an inability to help. This in the season of charity and good will, no less.
- throwoutway 4y ago
  I’ve always thought it disturbing that the center of wealth has such poverty but doesn’t California and San Francisco spend the most tax payer money on the homeless? Hundreds of millions? Can’t hundreds of millions prevent this? Are they really letting them suffer and die? And why can’t the taxpayer funded police stop a crime on Walgreens? That question hasn’t been answered
  - godzillabrennus 4y ago
    Government creates this problem by making it impossible to build more housing. Government can’t fix the problem without addressing the cause. It’s just a jobs program for government workers and a complete failure.