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I also hate the smell and look and fear of spending time in SF. However, does anyone know what the solution really is? We assume it's more police and more char

I also hate the smell and look and fear of spending time in SF. However, does anyone know what the solution really is? We assume it's more police and more charges brought by the DA. I'm not sure the data supports that incredibly well. It would be nice if we took half a percent of the tech money generated in the last decade and built a world class crime reduction program. Maybe a facility (unlike prison) where you don't get educated by career criminals...

giraffe_lady 4y ago
Yeah as you suspect the data supports anything but. Carceral responses to crime increase crime, and this has been extensively studied and concretely known for decades. If police solved or prevented crime american cities would be the lowest-crime places in the world. We keep doing this for other reasons, not to decrease crime.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  I agree that Carceral responses along are not a sufficient solution, at least not without resorting to extremes that would be untenable in the US. The real problem is loss of social trust and individuals unable or unwilling obey social norms. Once social trust is lost, it is very difficult to restore it.
epicureanideal 4y ago
I don’t think they really want to solve the problem. They just want to keep giving money to friends and family to “try to solve the problem”.
kjksf 4y ago
San Francisco budget is $14 billion. Of which $672 million is for "solving" homelessness. Austin City budget is $1.3 billion. Yes, half of Austin budget is spent by SF on homelessness alone. Money is not the problem. SF is already getting gigantic chunk of tech money. They just demonstrated, year over year, that the only thing they are extraordinarily good at is wasting this money. What we need is to fire ever single government worker and rebuild the government from scratch. And yes, I know that this is utterly delusional proposal, which is why SF will continue spending like Saudi Prince on crack and SF streets will continue to be lined up with homeless people.
- s1artibartfast 4y ago
  Homelessness is part of the problem, but the real Crux is a large number of unemployable people in one of the most expensive metros in the world. The only long-term viable solution is for people to relocate to locations with more opportunities for unskilled labor and a new market equilibrium.
  - cudgy 4y ago
    Agreed. However, suggesting this will get protests that the policy is “shipping people to the wastelands”.
rasz 4y ago
Would stand your ground law written into Cali statue help?
- archagon 4y ago
  Uh, so your solution is to kill them?

giraffe_lady 4y ago

Yeah as you suspect the data supports anything but. Carceral responses to crime increase crime, and this has been extensively studied and concretely known for decades. If police solved or prevented crime american cities would be the lowest-crime places in the world. We keep doing this for other reasons, not to decrease crime.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
I agree that Carceral responses along are not a sufficient solution, at least not without resorting to extremes that would be untenable in the US. The real problem is loss of social trust and individuals unable or unwilling obey social norms. Once social trust is lost, it is very difficult to restore it.

epicureanideal 4y ago

I don’t think they really want to solve the problem. They just want to keep giving money to friends and family to “try to solve the problem”.

kjksf 4y ago

San Francisco budget is $14 billion. Of which $672 million is for "solving" homelessness. Austin City budget is $1.3 billion. Yes, half of Austin budget is spent by SF on homelessness alone. Money is not the problem. SF is already getting gigantic chunk of tech money. They just demonstrated, year over year, that the only thing they are extraordinarily good at is wasting this money. What we need is to fire ever single government worker and rebuild the government from scratch. And yes, I know that this is utterly delusional proposal, which is why SF will continue spending like Saudi Prince on crack and SF streets will continue to be lined up with homeless people.

s1artibartfast 4y ago
Homelessness is part of the problem, but the real Crux is a large number of unemployable people in one of the most expensive metros in the world. The only long-term viable solution is for people to relocate to locations with more opportunities for unskilled labor and a new market equilibrium.
- cudgy 4y ago
  Agreed. However, suggesting this will get protests that the policy is “shipping people to the wastelands”.

rasz 4y ago

Would stand your ground law written into Cali statue help?

archagon 4y ago
Uh, so your solution is to kill them?