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Alternatively, you are confusing familiar with intuitive. If you hit a wall with vs code, which many people consider the most user friendly editor because of

Alternatively, you are confusing familiar with intuitive. If you hit a wall with vs code, which many people consider the most user friendly editor because of lack or familiarity, imagine how it is for emacs newcomers, when the community’s approach to user experience is “you’re a user? Nope, you’re one of the devs now”.

User23 4y ago
> Alternatively, you are confusing familiar with intuitive. That's why I mentioned that other developers were having the same problem. There were dozens, if not hundreds all struggling to get a decent Ruby IDE going in VS Code. Enough so that documenting and sharing VS Code config became a week long hack days project. My familiarity with Emacs doesn't explain that away. > If you hit a wall with vs code, which many people consider the most user friendly editor because of lack or familiarity, imagine how it is for emacs newcomers, when the community’s approach to user experience is “you’re a user? Nope, you’re one of the devs now”. I never claimed that Emacs doesn't have a learning curve too. My claim is that VS Code required at least as much effort to configure to be a proper Ruby IDE as Emacs did. And that's not an argument, it's a factual statement based on my experience and my observation of my peers' experiences. Maybe VS Code is a great out of the box IDE for some blub, but as soon as you need to configure it, it's just as much of a hassle if not more so due to its inferior discoverability. You do raise a good point though that the Emacs community has a high average level of respect for Emacs users. It's one of the things I find refreshing. Even in places like reddit where the default discourse is around the cesspool level, the Emacs community is great and practically encourages achieving competency and then mastery.

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Alternatively, you are confusing familiar with intuitive. If you hit a wall with vs code, which many people consider the most user friendly editor because of

by torben-friis 4y ago

User23 4y ago
> Alternatively, you are confusing familiar with intuitive. That's why I mentioned that other developers were having the same problem. There were dozens, if not hundreds all struggling to get a decent Ruby IDE going in VS Code. Enough so that documenting and sharing VS Code config became a week long hack days project. My familiarity with Emacs doesn't explain that away. > If you hit a wall with vs code, which many people consider the most user friendly editor because of lack or familiarity, imagine how it is for emacs newcomers, when the community’s approach to user experience is “you’re a user? Nope, you’re one of the devs now”. I never claimed that Emacs doesn't have a learning curve too. My claim is that VS Code required at least as much effort to configure to be a proper Ruby IDE as Emacs did. And that's not an argument, it's a factual statement based on my experience and my observation of my peers' experiences. Maybe VS Code is a great out of the box IDE for some blub, but as soon as you need to configure it, it's just as much of a hassle if not more so due to its inferior discoverability. You do raise a good point though that the Emacs community has a high average level of respect for Emacs users. It's one of the things I find refreshing. Even in places like reddit where the default discourse is around the cesspool level, the Emacs community is great and practically encourages achieving competency and then mastery.