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Who cares about his private planes? It’s all a distraction from him wasting time at Twitter, running it into the ground, instead of running Tesla and SpaceX.

_djo_ 4y ago
Seeing as though this is what has caused Musk to go even further off the deep end, banning journalists, causing more people to leave Twitter, and getting more unwelcome attention from regulators, I'd say it's directly related to him needing to spend even more time on Twitter and away from Tesla and SpaceX. He could have opted to be more hands off, appointing a competent manager to run the place while he focused elsewhere. But he's chosen the opposite.
- PM_me_your_math 4y ago
  - jcranmer 4y ago
    > And remember, these are rules they agreed to. IIRC, the rules were changed the day the account was banned, which means that the people who were banned never actually agreed to them, merely to a standard rules agreement that has a clause "we can change our rules at any moment and you can do jack-shit about that."
  - cmatthias 4y ago
    Got a citation for those claims? As far as I’m aware, journalists were only referencing ElonJet, which, as OP established, is only re-publishing already public information. Despite this, even if you want to somehow argue that it’s against the rules, I reject that claim as well. Twitter’s policies[1] explicitly allow “location information related to commercial property or places of business, where this information is publicly available,” and all of “Elon’s” jets are owned by commercial entities. Edit: citations showing “his” jets are owned by an LLC: https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N272BG https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N272BG https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N502SX https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N502SX [1] https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-information https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-info...
mdasen 4y ago
> Who cares about his private planes? The many people that followed ElonJet before it was banned from Twitter. In most ways, I agree with you. I don't particularly care and it is a distraction from real things. The one area that I disagree is that it draws attention to the fact that Musk is doing things that are very bad for the environment while his main business is trying to convince customers that they're saving the planet buying his stuff. It's harder to sell that global warming is a crisis and everyone should get one of your electric vehicles while you're flying your private plane everywhere. Sure, other companies can also be bad, but Tesla has been (in part) selling a vision and a lifestyle. For me, I don't care about the tracking, but the fuel usage and CO2 generated is interesting. For example, the average American produces 15 tons of CO2 per year [1]. Musk took a 9.5 hour flight on his jet to London producing 51 tons of CO2 [2]. I think tracking his flights and in particular their pollution does harm to Tesla's image as a green company and instead makes people think of Tesla as a project of a billionaire that isn't looking to save the world, but to enrich himself. A decade ago, Musk was the environmentalist of the future. Since then, his image has changed dramatically as he's ranted against public transit and it's come to light that Hyperloop may have been an attempt to torpedo high-speed rail that would have competed with Tesla cars [3] and as the Boring company has gotten cities to bite and then ghosted them [4]. Instead of Tesla's electric cars being one portion of a green transportation future, we're seeing a CEO that's actively harming environmental efforts while trying to enrich himself. As people started calling him out on those things, he's quickly descended into right-wing propaganda - a place where he feels safe from those criticisms. Yes, I don't really care about his private planes, but I do care about the fact that Musk and his businesses seem to be working against positive goals for the environment and society - and the private planes are one manifestation of that. [1] https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-much-carbon-dioxide-does-united-states-and-world-emit-each-year-energy-sources https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-much-carbon-dioxide-does-unite... [2] https://mastodon.social/@elonjet/109533137146004704 https://mastodon.social/@elonjet/109533137146004704 [3] https://jalopnik.com/did-musk-propose-hyperloop-to-stop-california-high-spee-1849402460 https://jalopnik.com/did-musk-propose-hyperloop-to-stop-cali... [4] https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel-traffic-11669658396 https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel...
- djur 4y ago
tareqak 4y ago
Twitter and Tesla shareholders that are concerned about the amount of CEO attention their respective company is receiving?
- cmatthias 4y ago
  Agreed re: Tesla, but heads up that there are very few Twitter shareholders now, since, you know, Musk bought the whole company.
kzrdude 4y ago
Yes, it's mostly a thing that continues just because it gets under his skin.
fundad 4y ago
Musk does, he cares enough that he staged a false flag. If he has cars licensed to him then his terrible opsec endangered his family and waned him bad publicity. Where was his private security. He loled at Yoel Roth being n danger, this is all in light of that.

_djo_ 4y ago

Seeing as though this is what has caused Musk to go even further off the deep end, banning journalists, causing more people to leave Twitter, and getting more unwelcome attention from regulators, I'd say it's directly related to him needing to spend even more time on Twitter and away from Tesla and SpaceX. He could have opted to be more hands off, appointing a competent manager to run the place while he focused elsewhere. But he's chosen the opposite.

PM_me_your_math 4y ago
- jcranmer 4y ago
  > And remember, these are rules they agreed to. IIRC, the rules were changed the day the account was banned, which means that the people who were banned never actually agreed to them, merely to a standard rules agreement that has a clause "we can change our rules at any moment and you can do jack-shit about that."
- cmatthias 4y ago
  Got a citation for those claims? As far as I’m aware, journalists were only referencing ElonJet, which, as OP established, is only re-publishing already public information. Despite this, even if you want to somehow argue that it’s against the rules, I reject that claim as well. Twitter’s policies[1] explicitly allow “location information related to commercial property or places of business, where this information is publicly available,” and all of “Elon’s” jets are owned by commercial entities. Edit: citations showing “his” jets are owned by an LLC: https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N628TS https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N272BG https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N272BG https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N502SX https://flightaware.com/resources/registration/N502SX [1] https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-information https://help.twitter.com/en/rules-and-policies/personal-info...

mdasen 4y ago

> Who cares about his private planes? The many people that followed ElonJet before it was banned from Twitter. In most ways, I agree with you. I don't particularly care and it is a distraction from real things. The one area that I disagree is that it draws attention to the fact that Musk is doing things that are very bad for the environment while his main business is trying to convince customers that they're saving the planet buying his stuff. It's harder to sell that global warming is a crisis and everyone should get one of your electric vehicles while you're flying your private plane everywhere. Sure, other companies can also be bad, but Tesla has been (in part) selling a vision and a lifestyle. For me, I don't care about the tracking, but the fuel usage and CO2 generated is interesting. For example, the average American produces 15 tons of CO2 per year [1]. Musk took a 9.5 hour flight on his jet to London producing 51 tons of CO2 [2]. I think tracking his flights and in particular their pollution does harm to Tesla's image as a green company and instead makes people think of Tesla as a project of a billionaire that isn't looking to save the world, but to enrich himself. A decade ago, Musk was the environmentalist of the future. Since then, his image has changed dramatically as he's ranted against public transit and it's come to light that Hyperloop may have been an attempt to torpedo high-speed rail that would have competed with Tesla cars [3] and as the Boring company has gotten cities to bite and then ghosted them [4]. Instead of Tesla's electric cars being one portion of a green transportation future, we're seeing a CEO that's actively harming environmental efforts while trying to enrich himself. As people started calling him out on those things, he's quickly descended into right-wing propaganda - a place where he feels safe from those criticisms. Yes, I don't really care about his private planes, but I do care about the fact that Musk and his businesses seem to be working against positive goals for the environment and society - and the private planes are one manifestation of that. [1] https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-much-carbon-dioxide-does-united-states-and-world-emit-each-year-energy-sources https://www.usgs.gov/faqs/how-much-carbon-dioxide-does-unite... [2] https://mastodon.social/@elonjet/109533137146004704 https://mastodon.social/@elonjet/109533137146004704 [3] https://jalopnik.com/did-musk-propose-hyperloop-to-stop-california-high-spee-1849402460 https://jalopnik.com/did-musk-propose-hyperloop-to-stop-cali... [4] https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel-traffic-11669658396 https://www.wsj.com/articles/elon-musk-boring-company-tunnel...

djur 4y ago

tareqak 4y ago

Twitter and Tesla shareholders that are concerned about the amount of CEO attention their respective company is receiving?

cmatthias 4y ago
Agreed re: Tesla, but heads up that there are very few Twitter shareholders now, since, you know, Musk bought the whole company.

kzrdude 4y ago

Yes, it's mostly a thing that continues just because it gets under his skin.

fundad 4y ago

Musk does, he cares enough that he staged a false flag. If he has cars licensed to him then his terrible opsec endangered his family and waned him bad publicity. Where was his private security. He loled at Yoel Roth being n danger, this is all in light of that.