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Its actually faster. https://www.technipages.com/windows-11-is-faster-than-windows-10-and-heres-why https://www.technipages.com/windows-11-is-faster-than-window

by ape4 4y ago

Its actually faster. https://www.technipages.com/windows-11-is-faster-than-windows-10-and-heres-why https://www.technipages.com/windows-11-is-faster-than-window...

RunSet 4y ago
From that article: > Conclusion > Windows 11 definitely feels faster and smoother compared to Windows 10. Much of this comes from the improved memory management system that Windows 11 is using. If you own an average computer in terms of specs, you’ll definitely notice the difference. The same is valid for old low-specs machines. Windows 11 feels a lot snappier, even on HDD machines. Overall, it runs better than its predecessor on many computers. Windows 10 system requirements[0]: * Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster processor or SoC * RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit Windows 11 system requirements[1]: * 1 Ghz or faster with 2 or more cores and appearing on our list of approved CPUs. * RAM: 4 GB. Gee, they made it "feel" faster and all they had to do was quadruple the memory requirements and restrict it to whitelisted hardware. However do the wizards at Redmond perform such sorcery? [0] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-system-requirements-6d4e9a79-66bf-7950-467c-795cf0386715 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-syste... [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-system-requirements-86c11283-ea52-4782-9efd-7674389a7ba3 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-syste...
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  >Gee, they made it "feel" faster and all they had to do was quadruple the memory requirements and restrict it to whitelisted hardware. However do the wizards at Redmond perform such sorcery? What do the system requirements have to do with the better performance for 11, if the tests were performed on the same hardware? You yourself posted the reason why it's faster and it isn't because of the system requirements: "Windows 11 definitely feels faster and smoother compared to Windows 10. Much of this comes from the improved memory management system that Windows 11 is using. If you own an average computer in terms of specs, you’ll definitely notice the difference. The same is valid for old low-specs machines. Windows 11 feels a lot snappier, even on HDD machines. Overall, it runs better than its predecessor on many computers." Also, Windows 10 was launched in 2015, while 11 launched in 2021, it can be understandable they advertise higher system requirements today vs 2015, as computing hardware has also evolved in that time frame and so have the demands of the apps people run on their system, and they wish their users to have the best experience and if they'd advertise lower system requirements, then some users would complain "it's slow". This way they make it clear on which hardware you can expect a decent experience, and it's in no way gonna be on a system with once CPU core and 2GB of RAM. Hell, even the 4GB required for Win 11 seem incredibly conservative. Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
  - RunSet 4y ago
    > What do the system requirements have to do with the better performance for 11, if the tests were performed on the same hardware? > You yourself posted the reason why it's faster First, note well that the article lacks benchmarks and is careful to only ever say Windows 11 "feels" faster. If Windows 11 can preload 4 times as much in RAM that might be described as "improved memory management system" which would make it "feel faster". It is also an approach that is denied Windows 10 due to its minimum system requirements. I find that spending some time turning off all the bloat that is enabled by default on any given Windows version results in an immediately responsive UI, such that feeling faster is not much of a selling point. It is just amusing to me how each new version of Windows is billed as "the fastest ever!" while the minimum system requirements continue to balloon.
PascLeRasc 4y ago
For my work computer the Start menu takes 4-5 seconds from hitting the Windows key to opening, and another 2-3 seconds to register what I'm trying to type in. I didn't see that test included in the article, do you have a measurement on your machine for this?
- ROTMetro 4y ago
  For my home computer both of these are instantaneous. But I admit I have tweaked performance on this machine because it's mainly used to music production.
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Something must be wrong on your system. I habe an previous gen ultralight laptop and opening the start menu is instantaneous. Maybe try disabling indexing or those web search feature.
gumboza 4y ago
Yeah but it punches you in the face so often it's a net loss. This is what is frustrating. The core of windows and the shell is fine. It's just got a veneer of diarrhoea over everything. I'm at a complete loss at the moment of how they manage to run the product like this.
- judge2020 4y ago
  I don't see why you posted this? The poster specifically asks for compelling reasons, because they know about the downsides that "punch you in the face". This diverts the conversation back to "windows 11 bad" instead of actually commenting on the content of ape4's comment.
  - gumboza 4y ago
    I'm not sure I need an abject justification of why I posted that as I think it's fairly obvious, but here goes. I posted it because quite frankly Windows 11 is less notably productive and more distracting which is a net reduction in any realistic performance metric. Thus I disagree with the trite point that windows 11 is faster.
    - hota_mazi 4y ago
      You're being called out for offering unsubstantiated criticism and you respond by offering more handwavy criticism.
karmakaze 4y ago
Comes at a cost to background process performance though. > The Secret Ingredient: A New Memory Management System > Windows 11 prioritizes apps and processes running in the foreground over background apps.
- SBArbeit 4y ago
  This feature has existed since Windows NT. Nothing has changed about it. By default, Windows will raise the priority of foreground apps a tick. You can turn that off if you want.
- kyriakos 4y ago
  That's acceptable for a desktop OS. It's not pretending it's server OS.
- karmakaze 4y ago
  Didn't Windows already used to have a setting for this? I remember I used to set it more to 'balanced' than make the UI faster back when I had a Windows work machine. I guess that was more for process scheduling and not the MMS.
  - bayindirh 4y ago
    Windows 2000 used to have a setting for this, yes.
- bayindirh 4y ago
  IIRC this is one of the NT kernel features since its inception. Maybe they tweaked the slider towards foreground apps a little more.

by ape4 4y ago

Its actually faster. https://www.technipages.com/windows-11-is-faster-than-windows-10-and-heres-why https://www.technipages.com/windows-11-is-faster-than-window...

RunSet 4y ago

From that article: > Conclusion > Windows 11 definitely feels faster and smoother compared to Windows 10. Much of this comes from the improved memory management system that Windows 11 is using. If you own an average computer in terms of specs, you’ll definitely notice the difference. The same is valid for old low-specs machines. Windows 11 feels a lot snappier, even on HDD machines. Overall, it runs better than its predecessor on many computers. Windows 10 system requirements[0]: * Processor: 1 gigahertz (GHz) or faster processor or SoC * RAM: 1 gigabyte (GB) for 32-bit or 2 GB for 64-bit Windows 11 system requirements[1]: * 1 Ghz or faster with 2 or more cores and appearing on our list of approved CPUs. * RAM: 4 GB. Gee, they made it "feel" faster and all they had to do was quadruple the memory requirements and restrict it to whitelisted hardware. However do the wizards at Redmond perform such sorcery? [0] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-system-requirements-6d4e9a79-66bf-7950-467c-795cf0386715 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-10-syste... [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-system-requirements-86c11283-ea52-4782-9efd-7674389a7ba3 https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/windows-11-syste...

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>Gee, they made it "feel" faster and all they had to do was quadruple the memory requirements and restrict it to whitelisted hardware. However do the wizards at Redmond perform such sorcery? What do the system requirements have to do with the better performance for 11, if the tests were performed on the same hardware? You yourself posted the reason why it's faster and it isn't because of the system requirements: "Windows 11 definitely feels faster and smoother compared to Windows 10. Much of this comes from the improved memory management system that Windows 11 is using. If you own an average computer in terms of specs, you’ll definitely notice the difference. The same is valid for old low-specs machines. Windows 11 feels a lot snappier, even on HDD machines. Overall, it runs better than its predecessor on many computers." Also, Windows 10 was launched in 2015, while 11 launched in 2021, it can be understandable they advertise higher system requirements today vs 2015, as computing hardware has also evolved in that time frame and so have the demands of the apps people run on their system, and they wish their users to have the best experience and if they'd advertise lower system requirements, then some users would complain "it's slow". This way they make it clear on which hardware you can expect a decent experience, and it's in no way gonna be on a system with once CPU core and 2GB of RAM. Hell, even the 4GB required for Win 11 seem incredibly conservative. Dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.
- RunSet 4y ago
  > What do the system requirements have to do with the better performance for 11, if the tests were performed on the same hardware? > You yourself posted the reason why it's faster First, note well that the article lacks benchmarks and is careful to only ever say Windows 11 "feels" faster. If Windows 11 can preload 4 times as much in RAM that might be described as "improved memory management system" which would make it "feel faster". It is also an approach that is denied Windows 10 due to its minimum system requirements. I find that spending some time turning off all the bloat that is enabled by default on any given Windows version results in an immediately responsive UI, such that feeling faster is not much of a selling point. It is just amusing to me how each new version of Windows is billed as "the fastest ever!" while the minimum system requirements continue to balloon.

PascLeRasc 4y ago

For my work computer the Start menu takes 4-5 seconds from hitting the Windows key to opening, and another 2-3 seconds to register what I'm trying to type in. I didn't see that test included in the article, do you have a measurement on your machine for this?

ROTMetro 4y ago
For my home computer both of these are instantaneous. But I admit I have tweaked performance on this machine because it's mainly used to music production.
ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Something must be wrong on your system. I habe an previous gen ultralight laptop and opening the start menu is instantaneous. Maybe try disabling indexing or those web search feature.

gumboza 4y ago

Yeah but it punches you in the face so often it's a net loss. This is what is frustrating. The core of windows and the shell is fine. It's just got a veneer of diarrhoea over everything. I'm at a complete loss at the moment of how they manage to run the product like this.

judge2020 4y ago
I don't see why you posted this? The poster specifically asks for compelling reasons, because they know about the downsides that "punch you in the face". This diverts the conversation back to "windows 11 bad" instead of actually commenting on the content of ape4's comment.
- gumboza 4y ago
  I'm not sure I need an abject justification of why I posted that as I think it's fairly obvious, but here goes. I posted it because quite frankly Windows 11 is less notably productive and more distracting which is a net reduction in any realistic performance metric. Thus I disagree with the trite point that windows 11 is faster.
  - hota_mazi 4y ago
    You're being called out for offering unsubstantiated criticism and you respond by offering more handwavy criticism.

karmakaze 4y ago

Comes at a cost to background process performance though. > The Secret Ingredient: A New Memory Management System > Windows 11 prioritizes apps and processes running in the foreground over background apps.

SBArbeit 4y ago
This feature has existed since Windows NT. Nothing has changed about it. By default, Windows will raise the priority of foreground apps a tick. You can turn that off if you want.
kyriakos 4y ago
That's acceptable for a desktop OS. It's not pretending it's server OS.
karmakaze 4y ago
Didn't Windows already used to have a setting for this? I remember I used to set it more to 'balanced' than make the UI faster back when I had a Windows work machine. I guess that was more for process scheduling and not the MMS.
- bayindirh 4y ago
  Windows 2000 used to have a setting for this, yes.
bayindirh 4y ago
IIRC this is one of the NT kernel features since its inception. Maybe they tweaked the slider towards foreground apps a little more.