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People are on Twitter because of accounts like that, across the spectrum. It was the one place where you could find everyone, including politicians, organisatio

by _djo_ 4y ago

People are on Twitter because of accounts like that, across the spectrum. It was the one place where you could find everyone, including politicians, organisations, journalists, experts, and random people with cool interests, and interact on a more or less equal basis. When enough of those leave it'll just become Truth Social or Parler. You might personally find that more fun and interesting, depending on your political background, but it'll never sustain the same user base.

ithkuil 4y ago
Musk could have kept twitter that universal platform and keeping an eye on political interference from within, knowing that right wing people would just trust him doing the right thing. But no, he wanted to make a big public outcry out of it, and he's now reaping the consequences.
- _djo_ 4y ago
  Exactly. He couldn't stop his ego from taking over.
- nemo44x 4y ago
  It is the if e universal platform. He’s just getting rid of the toxic people that thought they were immune to the types of canceling they’ve asked for more of previously. Live by the cancel, die by the cancel, I guess.
  - ithkuil 4y ago
    I'm not leaving Twitter because they canceled somebody or because they don't have canceled somebody else. I'm leaving Twitter because it no longer provides me an interesting timeline with content that I care about. Enough people in my network left (for whatever reason) and that's enough to create a network effect. I tried blocking musk and other accounts that created what I perceived as just noise I don't care about (I'm not a us resident, I've had enough of your culture war. It was educational and all but I'm also interested in other things!). But that wasn't enough, the Twitter recommendation engine keeps notifying threads about people I don't follow that talk about things I don't care about. Often just because Musk replied (and since I blocked him I don't really notice that until I click to see to details of a hidden post). It's a shame. I'm not a social media person. I found Twitter to have been a nice low friction way to subscribe to interesting topics and people. This whole drama has just turned it into a permanent worst version of itself
nemo44x 4y ago
The audience for far left propagandists is much smaller than they’ve been telling you. They’ve been amplifying each other for years but as that infrastructure is taken away from them, they’ll head back to the margins where they belong. Like the far right trolls they aren’t too different from.
- _djo_ 4y ago
  If you think the journalists suspended were all 'far left propagandists' there's not much more that can be said in this discussion. You're too far gone down your own rabbit hole. I wish you luck finding your way back sometime.
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    Not all of them. But most of them (possibly unwittingly) do their bidding in amplifying their fringe message.
- kuschku 4y ago
  Far-left? On twitter? A site that famously stated that if they applied their rules equally, they'd have to ban almost all republicans, so they currently don't apply the rules to those? Twitter is a site where a statement as simple as ACAB, which is legally protected speech [See https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2016/bvg16-036.html https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemit...] would get you a ban. Twitter is as center-right as it gets. If you think twitter is far-left, you're living in an extreme filter bubble.
  - nemo44x 4y ago
    > Twitter is as center-right as it gets. If you think twitter is far-left, you're living in an extreme filter bubble. I think this is what they call “gaslighting”.
  - BlargMcLarg 4y ago
    Twitter is both. The records hop from 'left wing bias' to 'right wing bias' over and over. Plus, the internet skews left-progressive, which makes even centrist views seem right-conservative. For every case of ACAB you can find a case of white hate or man hate with loads of retweets left alone or soft-endorsed, with the opposite being flagged for ToS violation. Both those statements are far more dominant among far-left.

by _djo_ 4y ago

ithkuil 4y ago

Musk could have kept twitter that universal platform and keeping an eye on political interference from within, knowing that right wing people would just trust him doing the right thing. But no, he wanted to make a big public outcry out of it, and he's now reaping the consequences.

_djo_ 4y ago
Exactly. He couldn't stop his ego from taking over.
nemo44x 4y ago
It is the if e universal platform. He’s just getting rid of the toxic people that thought they were immune to the types of canceling they’ve asked for more of previously. Live by the cancel, die by the cancel, I guess.
- ithkuil 4y ago
  I'm not leaving Twitter because they canceled somebody or because they don't have canceled somebody else. I'm leaving Twitter because it no longer provides me an interesting timeline with content that I care about. Enough people in my network left (for whatever reason) and that's enough to create a network effect. I tried blocking musk and other accounts that created what I perceived as just noise I don't care about (I'm not a us resident, I've had enough of your culture war. It was educational and all but I'm also interested in other things!). But that wasn't enough, the Twitter recommendation engine keeps notifying threads about people I don't follow that talk about things I don't care about. Often just because Musk replied (and since I blocked him I don't really notice that until I click to see to details of a hidden post). It's a shame. I'm not a social media person. I found Twitter to have been a nice low friction way to subscribe to interesting topics and people. This whole drama has just turned it into a permanent worst version of itself

nemo44x 4y ago

The audience for far left propagandists is much smaller than they’ve been telling you. They’ve been amplifying each other for years but as that infrastructure is taken away from them, they’ll head back to the margins where they belong. Like the far right trolls they aren’t too different from.

_djo_ 4y ago
If you think the journalists suspended were all 'far left propagandists' there's not much more that can be said in this discussion. You're too far gone down your own rabbit hole. I wish you luck finding your way back sometime.
- nemo44x 4y ago
  Not all of them. But most of them (possibly unwittingly) do their bidding in amplifying their fringe message.
kuschku 4y ago
Far-left? On twitter? A site that famously stated that if they applied their rules equally, they'd have to ban almost all republicans, so they currently don't apply the rules to those? Twitter is a site where a statement as simple as ACAB, which is legally protected speech [See https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemitteilungen/DE/2016/bvg16-036.html https://www.bundesverfassungsgericht.de/SharedDocs/Pressemit...] would get you a ban. Twitter is as center-right as it gets. If you think twitter is far-left, you're living in an extreme filter bubble.
- nemo44x 4y ago
  > Twitter is as center-right as it gets. If you think twitter is far-left, you're living in an extreme filter bubble. I think this is what they call “gaslighting”.
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  Twitter is both. The records hop from 'left wing bias' to 'right wing bias' over and over. Plus, the internet skews left-progressive, which makes even centrist views seem right-conservative. For every case of ACAB you can find a case of white hate or man hate with loads of retweets left alone or soft-endorsed, with the opposite being flagged for ToS violation. Both those statements are far more dominant among far-left.