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The older I get the older the age of 'irresponsible youth' becomes. Now it's past the twenties..? I think people deserve to control their own fate, disastrous

by serf 4y ago

The older I get the older the age of 'irresponsible youth' becomes. Now it's past the twenties..? I think people deserve to control their own fate, disastrous consequences be damned. That's part of life, and always has been. To pretend that we need to protect against that type of insecurity is absurd.

LtWorf 4y ago
> I think people deserve to control their own fate, disastrous consequences be damned So you're ok with startups hiring homeless people as test subjects, because they are poor and will consent to basically anything?
pessimizer 4y ago
> The older I get the older the age of 'irresponsible youth' becomes. Now it's past the twenties..? I feel the same way, but with the opposite conclusion. The older I get, the more larval and innocent teenagers and twenty-somethings seem. I mistake 25 year-olds for 17 year olds. When I'm explaining something, sometimes I can't think of a historical or technological analogy that a 25 year old is likely to understand. I see the mistakes in reasoning that they're blundering into with the best intentions (and utmost seriousness) that could have been avoided by reading a little more, thinking a little longer - then realize I hadn't read that stuff by my early twenties either, and could have easily made the same mistake. Then I remember some of the mistakes I did make, and wish they had been harder for me to have made.
- hinkley 4y ago
  I’d split the difference between the two opinions here. You have to let juniors make some mistakes. Both so that they can learn, and so you can teach anyone else around (wisdom is learning from the mistakes of others). We don’t do this with gun safety, because the lesson comes too late and at too high a cost. There may be nobody to teach afterward. So we demand that they act a certain way and come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who fucks around. But a medical implant isn’t just a personal decision, it’s a transactions with several other commercial enterprises, with financial interests in selling more of them. This will be the next heroin epidemic, or the one after that. It’s predatory. And as someone who has survived predators, it’s people like the three of us who have a moral obligation to watch out for predators while the children play. That’s part of the deal of being a pack/tribal mammal. It’s civilization.

by serf 4y ago

LtWorf 4y ago

> I think people deserve to control their own fate, disastrous consequences be damned So you're ok with startups hiring homeless people as test subjects, because they are poor and will consent to basically anything?

pessimizer 4y ago

> The older I get the older the age of 'irresponsible youth' becomes. Now it's past the twenties..? I feel the same way, but with the opposite conclusion. The older I get, the more larval and innocent teenagers and twenty-somethings seem. I mistake 25 year-olds for 17 year olds. When I'm explaining something, sometimes I can't think of a historical or technological analogy that a 25 year old is likely to understand. I see the mistakes in reasoning that they're blundering into with the best intentions (and utmost seriousness) that could have been avoided by reading a little more, thinking a little longer - then realize I hadn't read that stuff by my early twenties either, and could have easily made the same mistake. Then I remember some of the mistakes I did make, and wish they had been harder for me to have made.

hinkley 4y ago
I’d split the difference between the two opinions here. You have to let juniors make some mistakes. Both so that they can learn, and so you can teach anyone else around (wisdom is learning from the mistakes of others). We don’t do this with gun safety, because the lesson comes too late and at too high a cost. There may be nobody to teach afterward. So we demand that they act a certain way and come down like a ton of bricks on anyone who fucks around. But a medical implant isn’t just a personal decision, it’s a transactions with several other commercial enterprises, with financial interests in selling more of them. This will be the next heroin epidemic, or the one after that. It’s predatory. And as someone who has survived predators, it’s people like the three of us who have a moral obligation to watch out for predators while the children play. That’s part of the deal of being a pack/tribal mammal. It’s civilization.