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If the policy is defined then I don't see a problem with that. The issue with Twitter is that Musk openly tweeted that he's a free speech absolutist and even sa

If the policy is defined then I don't see a problem with that. The issue with Twitter is that Musk openly tweeted that he's a free speech absolutist and even said the things he now started to ban, were allowed. It's the hypocrisy which is the issue there.

yokoprime 4y ago
Indeed
MarkPNeyer 4y ago
Twitter had said the exact same thing. Would you be OK if Twitter just said, “all legal speech can be up, even doxxing since that’s not illegal?”
- BlargMcLarg 4y ago
  People did in fact have a problem with Twitter too. It's just more obvious for Musk since 1) he prioritized himself over doing a more general sweep including more than what affects him alone and 2) he has been obnoxiously vocal for multiple years now, painting a massive target and begging the public to troll him.
- lukeschlather 4y ago
  I think the fundamental problem, if we ignore Musk's hypocrisy is that Musk appears to be using his newfound moderator abilities capriciously to silence people he dislikes, without any sort of standard for behavior. With the plane thing it seems like he invented a rule to justify his behavior, and it gives the impression he will continue inventing rules whenever it suits him, not because these rules are good, but because he needs a rule to justify banning someone who annoyed him. And eventually he'll be in the classic corrupt regulator situation where he has a rule to ban pretty much anyone who annoys him, and they will be selectively applied only to people who annoys him. He needs to show he's a trustworthy moderator who won't behave like this, and his behavior makes it pretty hard to believe he will be.
- Philip-J-Fry 4y ago
  Musk said the ElonJet account was allowed even though he thought it was a "direct personal safety risk". He went completely against that and journalists that reported on it when he banned the account and the journalists. Keep in mind that none of this was "doxxing". It's publicly available information what Elon's plane is and where it's flying. He just woke up on the wrong side of bed and decided to ban, perhaps to see how far he could push things and whether his "fans" would support him. He then starts a Twitter poll to democratise the decision to unban the journalists. The result is to unban them now. He didn't like that result and did another poll, except with the news that he was doing it again, the poll was even more in favour of unbanning them now. He's a hypocrite deciding what to do based on what some brown nosing fan tweets him or what he dreamt of that night.
  - Turing_Machine 4y ago
    > Keep in mind that none of this was "doxxing". It's publicly available information I keep seeing this. Property tax information and license plate information are also "publicly available" in most areas. That doesn't make posting someone's home address, or the make, model, and plate number of their car somehow "not doxxing".
  - charcircuit 4y ago
    >Keep in mind that none of this was "doxxing". It's publicly available information what Elon's plane is and where it's flying 99% of a dox is taking public information from obscure sources and making it easily accessible in one place. Doxxing can be sharing public information about someone without their permission. Being public doesn't make it not doxxing.
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      The information shared was not from an obscure source nor was it from a site that wasn’t easily accessible. It was the mirroring of 1 piece of information from 1 location to another location.
      - charcircuit 4y ago
morbidious 4y ago
I think Musk and his followers must realize that free speech is a marketing campaign, and Elon's hypocrisy on going back on free speech is embracing the reality of things.

yokoprime 4y ago

Indeed

MarkPNeyer 4y ago

Twitter had said the exact same thing. Would you be OK if Twitter just said, “all legal speech can be up, even doxxing since that’s not illegal?”

BlargMcLarg 4y ago
People did in fact have a problem with Twitter too. It's just more obvious for Musk since 1) he prioritized himself over doing a more general sweep including more than what affects him alone and 2) he has been obnoxiously vocal for multiple years now, painting a massive target and begging the public to troll him.
lukeschlather 4y ago
I think the fundamental problem, if we ignore Musk's hypocrisy is that Musk appears to be using his newfound moderator abilities capriciously to silence people he dislikes, without any sort of standard for behavior. With the plane thing it seems like he invented a rule to justify his behavior, and it gives the impression he will continue inventing rules whenever it suits him, not because these rules are good, but because he needs a rule to justify banning someone who annoyed him. And eventually he'll be in the classic corrupt regulator situation where he has a rule to ban pretty much anyone who annoys him, and they will be selectively applied only to people who annoys him. He needs to show he's a trustworthy moderator who won't behave like this, and his behavior makes it pretty hard to believe he will be.
Philip-J-Fry 4y ago
Musk said the ElonJet account was allowed even though he thought it was a "direct personal safety risk". He went completely against that and journalists that reported on it when he banned the account and the journalists. Keep in mind that none of this was "doxxing". It's publicly available information what Elon's plane is and where it's flying. He just woke up on the wrong side of bed and decided to ban, perhaps to see how far he could push things and whether his "fans" would support him. He then starts a Twitter poll to democratise the decision to unban the journalists. The result is to unban them now. He didn't like that result and did another poll, except with the news that he was doing it again, the poll was even more in favour of unbanning them now. He's a hypocrite deciding what to do based on what some brown nosing fan tweets him or what he dreamt of that night.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  > Keep in mind that none of this was "doxxing". It's publicly available information I keep seeing this. Property tax information and license plate information are also "publicly available" in most areas. That doesn't make posting someone's home address, or the make, model, and plate number of their car somehow "not doxxing".
- charcircuit 4y ago
  >Keep in mind that none of this was "doxxing". It's publicly available information what Elon's plane is and where it's flying 99% of a dox is taking public information from obscure sources and making it easily accessible in one place. Doxxing can be sharing public information about someone without their permission. Being public doesn't make it not doxxing.
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    The information shared was not from an obscure source nor was it from a site that wasn’t easily accessible. It was the mirroring of 1 piece of information from 1 location to another location.
    - charcircuit 4y ago

morbidious 4y ago

I think Musk and his followers must realize that free speech is a marketing campaign, and Elon's hypocrisy on going back on free speech is embracing the reality of things.