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>private information It is publicly available information.

by _Algernon_ 4y ago

Turing_Machine 4y ago
So what? Virtually all doxxing is derived from public records.
charcircuit 4y ago
Most doxxing is publically available information.
- _Algernon_ 4y ago
  In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though. That's not the case here. The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. Leaked private information is obviously different. This is just a case of a billionaire with a god complex wanting to have his cake and eat it too.
  - Turing_Machine 4y ago
    > In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though. Nope. A lot of it comes from public sources, such as property taxes, vehicle registrations, court records... It's still doxxing.
  - wizeman 4y ago
    > The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. No, it's not. Elon's jet receives a private temporary aircraft identifier unconnected to its owner every month, because it is subscribed to this program: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy This government program was specifically designed to hide the link between an aircraft identifier and the owner of the aircraft. If the link between Elon Musk and the aircraft identifier he flies with was meant to be publicly available, why does this program exist in the first place?
    - nickthegreek 4y ago
      If it’s not meant to be public. Why do his planes broadcast the information through the airwaves to anyone who wants to listen?
    - _Algernon_ 4y ago
      >Elon's jet receives a private temporary aircraft identifier unconnected to its owner every month, because it is subscribed to this program: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy Wrong. None of Musk's planes are part of the PIA program: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34037524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34037524 as evident by any ads-b map out there.
    - sbarre 4y ago
      Is it possible that this program is ineffectual, because of publicly-available information from other sources that can be cross-referenced? If I were to put together a badly implemented privacy program that people can trivially circumvent without breaking the law, who should be blamed when people do exactly that? Me, or the people doing the trivial yet legal circumvention?
  - charcircuit 4y ago
    >In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though There is plenty of information in public records like people's addresses that are released legitimately. An address is enough information to SWAT someone.
- dvhh 4y ago
  True, but depending on how "we" consider the target, it can be judged as the most despicable thing.
hk__2 4y ago
Not exactly: https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1603857524574531584 https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/160385752457453... What’s public is how each plane moves. What’s not is which one of these planes is Musk’s.
- _Algernon_ 4y ago
  >hack This is not "hacking". This is information derived from publicly available information, presumably a quite trivial inference. If it is public information that x=2 and y=3, then x+y=5 isn't suddenly private information, just because it requires a trivial inference.
  - nerdawson 4y ago
    Photos taken on phones often contain GPS data. If someone publicly shares a photo they’ve taken and the data isn’t scrubbed, it’s trivial to find out where the photo was taken. Just because it’s easy to uncover doesn’t mean it’s fine to go off and broadcast it. That’s doxxing.
    - dismantlethesun 4y ago
      I’m not sure it’s broadcasting. My OS just displays location EXIF by default next to the thumbnail. It’s only the web browser that hides that stuff. If a later change to Chrome makes EXIF data easily viewable is then a privacy concern?
  - hk__2 4y ago
    > presumably a quite trivial inference It’s not a trivial inference.
    - _Algernon_ 4y ago
      You're actually right. No inference at all is necessary, because none of Musk's planes are part of the PIA program in the first place: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34037524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34037524

>private information It is publicly available information.

Turing_Machine 4y ago

So what? Virtually all doxxing is derived from public records.

charcircuit 4y ago

Most doxxing is publically available information.

_Algernon_ 4y ago
In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though. That's not the case here. The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. Leaked private information is obviously different. This is just a case of a billionaire with a god complex wanting to have his cake and eat it too.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  > In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though. Nope. A lot of it comes from public sources, such as property taxes, vehicle registrations, court records... It's still doxxing.
- wizeman 4y ago
  > The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. No, it's not. Elon's jet receives a private temporary aircraft identifier unconnected to its owner every month, because it is subscribed to this program: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy This government program was specifically designed to hide the link between an aircraft identifier and the owner of the aircraft. If the link between Elon Musk and the aircraft identifier he flies with was meant to be publicly available, why does this program exist in the first place?
  - nickthegreek 4y ago
    If it’s not meant to be public. Why do his planes broadcast the information through the airwaves to anyone who wants to listen?
  - _Algernon_ 4y ago
    >Elon's jet receives a private temporary aircraft identifier unconnected to its owner every month, because it is subscribed to this program: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy Wrong. None of Musk's planes are part of the PIA program: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34037524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34037524 as evident by any ads-b map out there.
  - sbarre 4y ago
    Is it possible that this program is ineffectual, because of publicly-available information from other sources that can be cross-referenced? If I were to put together a badly implemented privacy program that people can trivially circumvent without breaking the law, who should be blamed when people do exactly that? Me, or the people doing the trivial yet legal circumvention?
- charcircuit 4y ago
  >In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though There is plenty of information in public records like people's addresses that are released legitimately. An address is enough information to SWAT someone.
dvhh 4y ago
True, but depending on how "we" consider the target, it can be judged as the most despicable thing.

hk__2 4y ago

Not exactly: https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/1603857524574531584 https://mobile.twitter.com/DavidSacks/status/160385752457453... What’s public is how each plane moves. What’s not is which one of these planes is Musk’s.

_Algernon_ 4y ago
>hack This is not "hacking". This is information derived from publicly available information, presumably a quite trivial inference. If it is public information that x=2 and y=3, then x+y=5 isn't suddenly private information, just because it requires a trivial inference.
- nerdawson 4y ago
  Photos taken on phones often contain GPS data. If someone publicly shares a photo they’ve taken and the data isn’t scrubbed, it’s trivial to find out where the photo was taken. Just because it’s easy to uncover doesn’t mean it’s fine to go off and broadcast it. That’s doxxing.
  - dismantlethesun 4y ago
    I’m not sure it’s broadcasting. My OS just displays location EXIF by default next to the thumbnail. It’s only the web browser that hides that stuff. If a later change to Chrome makes EXIF data easily viewable is then a privacy concern?
- hk__2 4y ago
  > presumably a quite trivial inference It’s not a trivial inference.
  - _Algernon_ 4y ago
    You're actually right. No inference at all is necessary, because none of Musk's planes are part of the PIA program in the first place: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34037524 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34037524