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It breaks reddit rules probably - against doxxing and publishing private information of individuals. My bet is that it will get banned very soon.

wutwutwutwut 4y ago
This is public information, not private.
- dvhh 4y ago
  I think that's the defense used by most "doxxing" website.
  - wutwutwutwut 4y ago
    I wouldn't know. The person I replied to claimed that it was "private information of individuals". If it's public info by law then referring to it as private seems very misleading, wouldn't you say?
    - wizeman 4y ago
      > If it's public info by law then referring to it as private seems very misleading, wouldn't you say? But it's not public information by law. It's private information: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy The aircraft tracking data itself is public, but what's not public is the information which links the temporary aircraft identifier to its owner when the owner is using that privacy program, which is the case for Elon: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665
      - wutwutwutwut 4y ago
        Do you have a source which isn't Elon Musk? Using Musk as a source for claims in this seems a bit silly to me.
        blackfawn 4y ago
        That source is a reply by Musk confirming a statement by another person (https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1603748611896283137?s=20&t=P3gCl2LJJt2QjQRJbdBF4A https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1603748611896283137?s=20&...) commenting about Musk being enrolled in the PIA program. That statement also has a link back to the creator of the tracker themselves also admitting Musk's plane(s) are/were in PIA but they figured out how to track it/them anyway.
  - philistine 4y ago
    How about he is supremely rich, and his whereabouts are public concerns.
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agilob 4y ago
Subreddits were banned for a few comments doxxing someone.
_kbh_ 4y ago
this is a myth perpetrated by Elon to justify his banning of twitter account, there is nothing private about tail information, in fact it is required to be publicly available.
- agilob 4y ago
  Subreddits were banned for collecting publicly available on information in a single post. There used to be a subreddit documenting lives of Google CxOs, it didn't last one week.
- ben_w 4y ago
  Genuine question, IANAL: how is this different from car registration plates, which Google blurs out to avoid this kind of problem for normal people? Ditto all the data protection issues about ANPR systems. (This isn't to defended Musk, quite the contrary given he tweeted a number plate).
  - _Algernon_ 4y ago
    Registration plates aren't already tracked and made available publicly wherever they are. Planes are.
  - onion2k 4y ago
    how is this different from car registration plates, which Google blurs out to avoid this kind of problem for normal people? Google chooses to blur it. I don't think they're legally obligated to.
  - narvval 4y ago
    Many aircraft, particularly those flying IFR, are required by law in many jurisdictions to broadcast their location to reduce the risk of collisions and facilitate air traffic control. Check aviation transponder interrogation modes and ADS-B in particular
  - blondin 4y ago
    it's an interesting question actually. we track planes for safety reasons. when a plane disappear from the radar, it's a big deal. an educated guess why cars aren't tracked is privacy and there are too many. but in a world where cars are going to be electric, these problems might go away.
_Algernon_ 4y ago
>private information It is publicly available information.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  So what? Virtually all doxxing is derived from public records.
- charcircuit 4y ago
  Most doxxing is publically available information.
  - _Algernon_ 4y ago
    In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though. That's not the case here. The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. Leaked private information is obviously different. This is just a case of a billionaire with a god complex wanting to have his cake and eat it too.
    - Turing_Machine 4y ago
      > In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though. Nope. A lot of it comes from public sources, such as property taxes, vehicle registrations, court records... It's still doxxing.
    - wizeman 4y ago
      > The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. No, it's not. Elon's jet receives a private temporary aircraft identifier unconnected to its owner every month, because it is subscribed to this program: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy This government program was specifically designed to hide the link between an aircraft identifier and the owner of the aircraft. If the link between Elon Musk and the aircraft identifier he flies with was meant to be publicly available, why does this program exist in the first place?
jmeister 4y ago
The account has been suspended https://old.reddit.com/user/Elon_jet_tracker https://old.reddit.com/user/Elon_jet_tracker

wutwutwutwut 4y ago

This is public information, not private.

dvhh 4y ago
I think that's the defense used by most "doxxing" website.
- wutwutwutwut 4y ago
  I wouldn't know. The person I replied to claimed that it was "private information of individuals". If it's public info by law then referring to it as private seems very misleading, wouldn't you say?
  - wizeman 4y ago
    > If it's public info by law then referring to it as private seems very misleading, wouldn't you say? But it's not public information by law. It's private information: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy The aircraft tracking data itself is public, but what's not public is the information which links the temporary aircraft identifier to its owner when the owner is using that privacy program, which is the case for Elon: https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665 https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1603803508087537665
    - wutwutwutwut 4y ago
      Do you have a source which isn't Elon Musk? Using Musk as a source for claims in this seems a bit silly to me.
      - blackfawn 4y ago
        That source is a reply by Musk confirming a statement by another person (https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1603748611896283137?s=20&t=P3gCl2LJJt2QjQRJbdBF4A https://twitter.com/Timcast/status/1603748611896283137?s=20&...) commenting about Musk being enrolled in the PIA program. That statement also has a link back to the creator of the tracker themselves also admitting Musk's plane(s) are/were in PIA but they figured out how to track it/them anyway.
- philistine 4y ago
  How about he is supremely rich, and his whereabouts are public concerns.

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agilob 4y ago

Subreddits were banned for a few comments doxxing someone.

_kbh_ 4y ago

this is a myth perpetrated by Elon to justify his banning of twitter account, there is nothing private about tail information, in fact it is required to be publicly available.

agilob 4y ago
Subreddits were banned for collecting publicly available on information in a single post. There used to be a subreddit documenting lives of Google CxOs, it didn't last one week.
ben_w 4y ago
Genuine question, IANAL: how is this different from car registration plates, which Google blurs out to avoid this kind of problem for normal people? Ditto all the data protection issues about ANPR systems. (This isn't to defended Musk, quite the contrary given he tweeted a number plate).
- _Algernon_ 4y ago
  Registration plates aren't already tracked and made available publicly wherever they are. Planes are.
- onion2k 4y ago
  how is this different from car registration plates, which Google blurs out to avoid this kind of problem for normal people? Google chooses to blur it. I don't think they're legally obligated to.
- narvval 4y ago
  Many aircraft, particularly those flying IFR, are required by law in many jurisdictions to broadcast their location to reduce the risk of collisions and facilitate air traffic control. Check aviation transponder interrogation modes and ADS-B in particular
- blondin 4y ago
  it's an interesting question actually. we track planes for safety reasons. when a plane disappear from the radar, it's a big deal. an educated guess why cars aren't tracked is privacy and there are too many. but in a world where cars are going to be electric, these problems might go away.

_Algernon_ 4y ago

>private information It is publicly available information.

Turing_Machine 4y ago
So what? Virtually all doxxing is derived from public records.
charcircuit 4y ago
Most doxxing is publically available information.
- _Algernon_ 4y ago
  In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though. That's not the case here. The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. Leaked private information is obviously different. This is just a case of a billionaire with a god complex wanting to have his cake and eat it too.
  - Turing_Machine 4y ago
    > In most other cases that has been released illegitimately in the first place though. Nope. A lot of it comes from public sources, such as property taxes, vehicle registrations, court records... It's still doxxing.
  - wizeman 4y ago
    > The information is publicly available because it is mandated to be as a condition of flying. No, it's not. Elon's jet receives a private temporary aircraft identifier unconnected to its owner every month, because it is subscribed to this program: https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy https://www.faa.gov/air_traffic/technology/equipadsb/privacy This government program was specifically designed to hide the link between an aircraft identifier and the owner of the aircraft. If the link between Elon Musk and the aircraft identifier he flies with was meant to be publicly available, why does this program exist in the first place?

jmeister 4y ago

The account has been suspended https://old.reddit.com/user/Elon_jet_tracker https://old.reddit.com/user/Elon_jet_tracker