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There's this view amongst Corbyn supporters that everyone would have voted for him if it wasn't for the evil newspapers. Setting aside that in 2019 under 15% o

There's this view amongst Corbyn supporters that everyone would have voted for him if it wasn't for the evil newspapers. Setting aside that in 2019 under 15% of the country read a newspaper, it's a moot point. Part of the job of being leader of a political party, just like any business, is to handle public relations. Corbyn's team was awful at this. It's no good whining about it, you have to handle it. Personally his pro-wealthy attacks on making the care system fairer were one major thing that turned me off. He spent a lot of political capital trying to defend the right of millionaires to not pay for their own care (and thus increasing everyone else's tax burden).

Jochim 4y ago
I don't want millionaires to pay for their own care. I want to tax them more than it'd cost them to pay for that care privately. Millionaires paying for their own care is how you end up with a terrible, underfunded, and eventually privatised public care system.
- iso1631 4y ago
  Corbyn's proposal to actually tax millionaires failed dramatically because of his inability to handle the media. Despite it being a policy supported by all sorts of economic think tanks from the IFS to Adam Smith, and has support from the Green party to the LSE, somehow he managed to completely bungle it and push the cause back a generation. Another thing I can't forgive him for.
  - blitzar 4y ago
    The problem is more extreme than that - there is not being able to handle the media, and there is Corbyns problem. "Informed voters" are able to precisely articulate what they believe the oposition party (Corbyns) policy is, and what they articulate is not based on any reality that exists on the time space continuum. I recall at some point last election cycle an interview with a very passionate gentleman in the north who was adamant that we had to "Vote for Change, its time to get Corbyn and his failed policies out of Downing Street". He was utterly certain that Corbyn had been prime minister for the prior four years and the terrible state of the country was down to him. I am no fan of labour but that environment is not good for anyone and has ultimately (ironically) destroyed the Conservative party.
    - mbg721 4y ago
      If you think that's bad, you wouldn't believe all the crazy stuff people believe Donald Trump did while in office. If you took the name off and got rid of all the self-promotion and bombastic media stuff, people would think of him like an obscure post-Civil-War president you have to know for school and can forget after that.
      - blitzar 4y ago
        Let me guess ... he was (personally) running a child sex trafficing ring out of the basement of a pizza place?

Jochim 4y ago

I don't want millionaires to pay for their own care. I want to tax them more than it'd cost them to pay for that care privately. Millionaires paying for their own care is how you end up with a terrible, underfunded, and eventually privatised public care system.

iso1631 4y ago
Corbyn's proposal to actually tax millionaires failed dramatically because of his inability to handle the media. Despite it being a policy supported by all sorts of economic think tanks from the IFS to Adam Smith, and has support from the Green party to the LSE, somehow he managed to completely bungle it and push the cause back a generation. Another thing I can't forgive him for.
- blitzar 4y ago
  The problem is more extreme than that - there is not being able to handle the media, and there is Corbyns problem. "Informed voters" are able to precisely articulate what they believe the oposition party (Corbyns) policy is, and what they articulate is not based on any reality that exists on the time space continuum. I recall at some point last election cycle an interview with a very passionate gentleman in the north who was adamant that we had to "Vote for Change, its time to get Corbyn and his failed policies out of Downing Street". He was utterly certain that Corbyn had been prime minister for the prior four years and the terrible state of the country was down to him. I am no fan of labour but that environment is not good for anyone and has ultimately (ironically) destroyed the Conservative party.
  - mbg721 4y ago
    If you think that's bad, you wouldn't believe all the crazy stuff people believe Donald Trump did while in office. If you took the name off and got rid of all the self-promotion and bombastic media stuff, people would think of him like an obscure post-Civil-War president you have to know for school and can forget after that.
    - blitzar 4y ago
      Let me guess ... he was (personally) running a child sex trafficing ring out of the basement of a pizza place?