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I think the fundamental issue here is that the court actually granted Microsoft's rediculus request. The only valid ruling here was for the court to order the s

I think the fundamental issue here is that the court actually granted Microsoft's rediculus request. The only valid ruling here was for the court to order the suspension of the domain. Seeing that Microsoft are an unrelated third-party, what was the judge's reasoning for granting them specifically ownership of the defendant's property? Wouldn't it have made more sense to assign ownership to a government organization instead? Did Microsoft reimburse the domain owner the value of the domain or did they just steal it without payment?

hlandau 4y ago
It all got reversed eventually after massive negative press coverage. I don't think Microsoft took "ownership" of the domain, but simply got the court to make them the nameservers, though I may be wrong. I do feel like the only way this request was granted was due to total ignorance on the part of the court of anything about how the internet works.
- rdxm 4y ago
- rosnd 4y ago
  It's a completely reasonable request that has been granted countless of times now. >I do feel like the only way this request was granted was due to total ignorance on the part of the court of anything about how the internet works. This is absurd. The court ideologically disagrees with you about how the internet should work, not about how the internet works. This does not suggest that the court is ignorant of anything.
- naniwaduni 4y ago
  > I do feel like the only way this request was granted was due to total ignorance on the part of the court of anything about how the internet works. It sounds like the court, unlike you, has the power to make the internet work the way it thinks it does, and is thereby right about how it works.
  - jdong 4y ago
    It's not like Microsoft just convinced a single judge about this either. https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/08/microsoft-seizes-domains-russia-fancy-bear/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/08/microsoft-seizes-domains-r... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/microsoft-seizes-domains-used-by-highly-sophisticated-hackers-in-china/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/micro... https://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/132002/apt/microsoft-seized-bohrium-apt-domains.html https://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/132002/apt/microsoft-se... https://virtualizationreview.com/articles/2022/11/22/ms-digital-defense.aspx https://virtualizationreview.com/articles/2022/11/22/ms-digi... https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/07/microsoft-domains-covid-19-attacks/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/07/microsoft-domains-covid-19... https://www.geekwire.com/2019/microsoft-seized-network-50-domains-hacker-group-ties-north-korea/ https://www.geekwire.com/2019/microsoft-seized-network-50-do... https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/08/microsoft-seizes-domains-imitatingright-wing-groups-controlled-by-kremlin-hackers/ https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/08/microsoft-seizes-domains-... https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/08/20/we-are-taking-new-steps-against-broadening-threats-to-democracy/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/08/20/we-are-... Since 2010 Microsoft alone has seized over 16k individual domain names in more than 24 court cases. Microsoft is not alone in this, https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/documents/1_Complaint.pdf https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/doc... https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022.02.08-Dkt.-1-Meta-Complaint.pdf https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022.02.08-D... You'd have to be deeply delusional to think that this is not how the internet works, as this very clearly is exactly how the internet works.

hlandau 4y ago

It all got reversed eventually after massive negative press coverage. I don't think Microsoft took "ownership" of the domain, but simply got the court to make them the nameservers, though I may be wrong. I do feel like the only way this request was granted was due to total ignorance on the part of the court of anything about how the internet works.

rdxm 4y ago
rosnd 4y ago
It's a completely reasonable request that has been granted countless of times now. >I do feel like the only way this request was granted was due to total ignorance on the part of the court of anything about how the internet works. This is absurd. The court ideologically disagrees with you about how the internet should work, not about how the internet works. This does not suggest that the court is ignorant of anything.
naniwaduni 4y ago
> I do feel like the only way this request was granted was due to total ignorance on the part of the court of anything about how the internet works. It sounds like the court, unlike you, has the power to make the internet work the way it thinks it does, and is thereby right about how it works.
- jdong 4y ago
  It's not like Microsoft just convinced a single judge about this either. https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/08/microsoft-seizes-domains-russia-fancy-bear/ https://techcrunch.com/2022/04/08/microsoft-seizes-domains-r... https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/microsoft-seizes-domains-used-by-highly-sophisticated-hackers-in-china/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2021/12/micro... https://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/132002/apt/microsoft-seized-bohrium-apt-domains.html https://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/132002/apt/microsoft-se... https://virtualizationreview.com/articles/2022/11/22/ms-digital-defense.aspx https://virtualizationreview.com/articles/2022/11/22/ms-digi... https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/07/microsoft-domains-covid-19-attacks/ https://techcrunch.com/2020/07/07/microsoft-domains-covid-19... https://www.geekwire.com/2019/microsoft-seized-network-50-domains-hacker-group-ties-north-korea/ https://www.geekwire.com/2019/microsoft-seized-network-50-do... https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/08/microsoft-seizes-domains-imitatingright-wing-groups-controlled-by-kremlin-hackers/ https://www.gizmodo.com.au/2018/08/microsoft-seizes-domains-... https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/08/20/we-are-taking-new-steps-against-broadening-threats-to-democracy/ https://blogs.microsoft.com/on-the-issues/2018/08/20/we-are-... Since 2010 Microsoft alone has seized over 16k individual domain names in more than 24 court cases. Microsoft is not alone in this, https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/documents/1_Complaint.pdf https://storage.googleapis.com/gweb-uniblog-publish-prod/doc... https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022.02.08-Dkt.-1-Meta-Complaint.pdf https://about.fb.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/2022.02.08-D... You'd have to be deeply delusional to think that this is not how the internet works, as this very clearly is exactly how the internet works.