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Officially the worst review of this great book yet! The article fails again and again to mention what Wilson was such a horrible authoritarian against. The boo

Officially the worst review of this great book yet! The article fails again and again to mention what Wilson was such a horrible authoritarian against. The book is about the destruction of labor-organization, destruction of socialistic ideas/ideas. It was a purification towards capitalism & war-industrial forms. It's astounding how far this article can go to talk up the threat of authoritarianism, can regurgitate some of the core what happened, but ignores so much of the conflict of why it was all happening, what the actual clashing ideologies were. And it feels, in light of what the book is saying, false to accept the review's initial premise: that Wilson was acting progressive at all, through this time, through these events. Those were who he was busy jailing, best he could. Alas, completely expactable that we'd get a review like this, from this website. Here are some other reviews: https://www.ft.com/content/61a319b2-4930-4f1e-b048-ec4647b7c173 https://www.ft.com/content/61a319b2-4930-4f1e-b048-ec4647b7c... https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2022/11/02/american-midnight-hochschild-review/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/books/2022/11/02/american-mid... https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/03/books/review/american-midnight-adam-hochschild.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/10/03/books/review/american-mid... https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/09/29/arts/brief-era-brutality-change-american-midnight/ https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/09/29/arts/brief-era-brutal... See also the recent post, on jailed socialist presidential candidate Eugene V Debs' 1918 anti-war speech, https://www.fifthestate.org/archive/360-spring-2003/a-1918-anti-war-speech-sent-eugene-v-debs-to-prison/ https://www.fifthestate.org/archive/360-spring-2003/a-1918-a... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33754957 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33754957 (330 points, 21d ago, 256 comments)

ancapsfascists 4y ago
It's Quillette, a right wing propaganda outlet. They write articles to serve their narrative first, then true to bend facts to that narrative. I'm always surprised when it shows up on HN, because usually the crowd here is interested in factual, rational discussion rather than agitprop.
- boomerzoomer 4y ago
  Quillette is not right wing. It’s the new “anti-woke liberalism” like IDW. Just because you disagree with wokeness doesn't make you right wing. Its just a schism in the left. There is same schizm on the right. Log cabin republicans are not right wing. In fact most republicans are not right wing. They are just liberals driving the speed limit.
- wan_ala 4y ago
  Yeah, i am pretty distrustful of any "news" website still reporting on low-hanging fruit such as trans swimmers.
082349872349872 4y ago
This period also has the earliest (to my current knowledge) documented use of a gather-targeting-information-then-triangulate-the-social-graph-clique-by-clique propaganda campaign. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Public_Information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Public_Informatio...
ShredKazoo 4y ago
Quote: >With the specter of Russia looming so large, socialism terrified Americans more than anarchism did. “Over the next few years,” Hochschild writes, “people would blame Bolshevism for everything from strikes to anti-lynching protests to loosening sexual mores to untrimmed beards.” When the Boston police went on strike, the Wall Street Journal hysterically announced that “Lenin and Trotsky are on their way.” A Los Angeles Times editorial asked, “Has Bolshevik Russia presented any more alarming spectacle than this?” The cops did not mount a communist putsch. They just wanted pay raises, shorter shifts, and the same right to unionize that local firefighters enjoyed. Instead, the strike ushered in a more prosaic kind of disaster: with so few police officers on duty, looters smashed their way into stores, and criminals from other cities took trains to Boston to grab some loot of their own. Wilson lamented that Boston was “at the mercy of an army of thugs” and described the episode as “a crime against civilization.” >In November 1919 and January 1920, with the Red Scare nearing its apogee, Palmer’s men rounded up thousands of suspected socialists, anarchists, and communists and threw them into makeshift prisons, where they awaited deportation. He singled out the Wobblies, of course, but also the Union of Russian Workers, often on the flimsiest evidence. In Detroit, for instance, agents interrogated every theatergoer watching a Russian-language play. No court ever convicted a single member of violence.
ZeroGravitas 4y ago
Yes, this is a weird review. I particulalry enjoyed the part where the author snidely attacked college students for being aware of history: > University students today insist that he was a racist—which he certainly was—but his faults hardly end there. "Insist" is such a weird word choice here.
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- UncleMeat 4y ago
  Taking shots at "university students" is also completely unrelated to reviewing a book. The author is also not an academic or appear to be a relevant expert.

ancapsfascists 4y ago

It's Quillette, a right wing propaganda outlet. They write articles to serve their narrative first, then true to bend facts to that narrative. I'm always surprised when it shows up on HN, because usually the crowd here is interested in factual, rational discussion rather than agitprop.

boomerzoomer 4y ago
Quillette is not right wing. It’s the new “anti-woke liberalism” like IDW. Just because you disagree with wokeness doesn't make you right wing. Its just a schism in the left. There is same schizm on the right. Log cabin republicans are not right wing. In fact most republicans are not right wing. They are just liberals driving the speed limit.
wan_ala 4y ago
Yeah, i am pretty distrustful of any "news" website still reporting on low-hanging fruit such as trans swimmers.

082349872349872 4y ago

This period also has the earliest (to my current knowledge) documented use of a gather-targeting-information-then-triangulate-the-social-graph-clique-by-clique propaganda campaign. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Public_Information https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Committee_on_Public_Informatio...

ShredKazoo 4y ago

Quote: >With the specter of Russia looming so large, socialism terrified Americans more than anarchism did. “Over the next few years,” Hochschild writes, “people would blame Bolshevism for everything from strikes to anti-lynching protests to loosening sexual mores to untrimmed beards.” When the Boston police went on strike, the Wall Street Journal hysterically announced that “Lenin and Trotsky are on their way.” A Los Angeles Times editorial asked, “Has Bolshevik Russia presented any more alarming spectacle than this?” The cops did not mount a communist putsch. They just wanted pay raises, shorter shifts, and the same right to unionize that local firefighters enjoyed. Instead, the strike ushered in a more prosaic kind of disaster: with so few police officers on duty, looters smashed their way into stores, and criminals from other cities took trains to Boston to grab some loot of their own. Wilson lamented that Boston was “at the mercy of an army of thugs” and described the episode as “a crime against civilization.” >In November 1919 and January 1920, with the Red Scare nearing its apogee, Palmer’s men rounded up thousands of suspected socialists, anarchists, and communists and threw them into makeshift prisons, where they awaited deportation. He singled out the Wobblies, of course, but also the Union of Russian Workers, often on the flimsiest evidence. In Detroit, for instance, agents interrogated every theatergoer watching a Russian-language play. No court ever convicted a single member of violence.

ZeroGravitas 4y ago

Yes, this is a weird review. I particulalry enjoyed the part where the author snidely attacked college students for being aware of history: > University students today insist that he was a racist—which he certainly was—but his faults hardly end there. "Insist" is such a weird word choice here.

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UncleMeat 4y ago
Taking shots at "university students" is also completely unrelated to reviewing a book. The author is also not an academic or appear to be a relevant expert.