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How are personal gripes about phone operating systems even remotely related to the factual matter of being able to su/sudo whenever you want on a desktop operat

How are personal gripes about phone operating systems even remotely related to the factual matter of being able to su/sudo whenever you want on a desktop operating system?

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lucb1e 4y ago
Just pointing out that what you take for granted today is being removed from newer systems (which additionally relates to the thread as a whole since it uses an alternative way to get ownership over the software running on the device), so maybe it's not such an 'of course' anymore in the way you said :( Sorry that I wasted your time with my, eh, "personal gripes"
- TheRealPomax 4y ago
  We've had smartphones without superuser rights for checks notes literally forever. There hasn't been a single mass market phone ever created that required you to run anything as root. Yeah, we can jailbreak phones, but until the law busts up the "app store" model, phones don't need root. General computing devices might, and you might want to turn your phone into one of those, but as the device it's sold as, no phone has ever needed you to have access to, or use. , root privileges. Because they're not designed to be computers (yet). Operating systems for desktop have given you the power to superuser-up since day one, to this day, and the odds of that changing any time soon is pretty much zero, because without superuser privileges we can't use those computers for what they're intended to be used for. So yeah, personal gripes: they are wildly and completely different types of devices, for different markets.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  The alternative is the internet would be vastly more saturated with botnets and the accompanying fraudulent they are used for. I totally get what you are saying though. But kids these day can have way more impact than the bad old days of C64 command line basic. It’s just at a different level of abstraction. And people who want to tinker with the bowels of a device can always run Linux or one of the many microcontrollers on the market. A $5 ESP32 can do way, way more cool shit than my old commodore computer.

How are personal gripes about phone operating systems even remotely related to the factual matter of being able to su/sudo whenever you want on a desktop operating system?

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lucb1e 4y ago

Just pointing out that what you take for granted today is being removed from newer systems (which additionally relates to the thread as a whole since it uses an alternative way to get ownership over the software running on the device), so maybe it's not such an 'of course' anymore in the way you said :( Sorry that I wasted your time with my, eh, "personal gripes"

TheRealPomax 4y ago
We've had smartphones without superuser rights for checks notes literally forever. There hasn't been a single mass market phone ever created that required you to run anything as root. Yeah, we can jailbreak phones, but until the law busts up the "app store" model, phones don't need root. General computing devices might, and you might want to turn your phone into one of those, but as the device it's sold as, no phone has ever needed you to have access to, or use. , root privileges. Because they're not designed to be computers (yet). Operating systems for desktop have given you the power to superuser-up since day one, to this day, and the odds of that changing any time soon is pretty much zero, because without superuser privileges we can't use those computers for what they're intended to be used for. So yeah, personal gripes: they are wildly and completely different types of devices, for different markets.
spookthesunset 4y ago
The alternative is the internet would be vastly more saturated with botnets and the accompanying fraudulent they are used for. I totally get what you are saying though. But kids these day can have way more impact than the bad old days of C64 command line basic. It’s just at a different level of abstraction. And people who want to tinker with the bowels of a device can always run Linux or one of the many microcontrollers on the market. A $5 ESP32 can do way, way more cool shit than my old commodore computer.