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Always interesting to browse these lists. Figured I'd add this week's browser %s from a site I run to the thread for others interested in another source: > Chr

Always interesting to browse these lists. Figured I'd add this week's browser %s from a site I run to the thread for others interested in another source: > Chrome 62.09% > Safari 26.55% > Edge 3.23% > Opera 2.94% > Firefox 2.64% > Samsung Internet 0.88% > Internet Explorer 0.54% > Android Webview 0.24% > YaBrowser 0.16% Bias: site audience is mostly writers/authors

userbinator 4y ago
I wonder how much of the Chrome is actually Firefox presenting itself as Chrome, because of the increasingly common practice of making sites that attempt to be locked to Chrome but are actually perfectly usable with Firefox if you just switch the UA.
- zerocrates 4y ago
  Probably very very little... there just aren't that many Firefox users to begin with, and the number that are going to alter the User-Agent is a tiny subset. On your second point, I use a mix of Chrome and Firefox... can't remember the last time I ran into something that didn't work on Firefox. Is mandating Chrome really particularly common?
  - _rdvw 4y ago
    Firefox actually does alter UA on its own, see about:compat
    - zerocrates 4y ago
      I didn't know that, interesting! Definitely would affect one's experience of how common browser-locked sites are. Probably not relevant here though, as they seem to be pulling their data from one site's traffic; if it were on that compatibility list you'd expect to see no Firefox users at all.
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    I agree with you, but it is sort of funny — most of the evidence for Firefox being very rare comes from querying user agents, right? If we were observing the computing universe from the outside, we might speculate that Firefox and spoofing are pretty widespread.
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- tuetuopay 4y ago
  Sadly this kind of lockout is implemented client-side in Javascript. Either by actively nerfing the FF performance (if ff then bad perf), or by using APIs known to be bad on firefox. All of Google's websites are a perfect example of both actually (no proof needed, but I cannot believe it's only the second option).
  - withinboredom 4y ago
    To get you to use Edge, Windows nerfs Chrome’s background performance by shunting all the processes on to a single core (or it used to) randomly. You can’t fucking win. I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple does something similar to Chrome/Edge.
    - culi 4y ago
      I don't think Apple does, but I've noticed stuff like the touch bar and the finger print reader prompting to automatically sign in on certain sites only work on Safari. It makes sense that Safari would be better integrated with the OS. Not sure if it's a matter of Apple not making the API available to other browsers or them not taking advantage of it though
      - themoonisachees 4y ago
        AFAIK touch bar is application-controlled, so its up to chrome/ff to use the API to make it work.
- TingPing 4y ago
  WebKit also pretends to be Chrome on problematic websites. However this site wouldn't hit that logic for either browser.
dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
I'll do mine: > Chrome 44.36% > Safari 22.40% > Firefox 18.23% > Edge 3.12% > Samsung Internet 2.24% > IE 0.38% > Opera 0.32% > YaBrowser 0.03% Bias: German middle-upper class young families edit: also in case someone is wondering about the Firefox numbers, Germans love Firefox. It's a thing.
- jhardy54 4y ago
  That looks like it adds to ~91%, are you missing an entry or do you just have a very long tail of unique low-volume browsers?
  - dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
    The rest are scrapers which I didn't bother to label. Google, Bing, Semrush, Ahrefs, Pinterest, Yandex, BLEX, Petal, MJ12Bot, Neeva, MetaJob.. They're probably overrepresented in this data set since I collected logs from about a dozen sites, but only a couple of them have any real popularity while all get scraped due to SEO.
    - jhardy54 4y ago
      Makes sense, thanks for indulging my curiosity.
- Semaphor 4y ago
  Hah, I saw FF at 18% and knew it would be German ;) Here’s our (also German, photography market) Top 5: 39.78 % Chrome 24.39 % Firefox 20.11 % Safari 7 % Edge 2.44 % Opera edit: And just because there are essentially only 2 mobile browsers, here’s the Desktop-only list: 34.08 % Chrome 32.26 % Firefox 16.82 % Safari 9.61 % Edge 2.79 % Opera

userbinator 4y ago

I wonder how much of the Chrome is actually Firefox presenting itself as Chrome, because of the increasingly common practice of making sites that attempt to be locked to Chrome but are actually perfectly usable with Firefox if you just switch the UA.

zerocrates 4y ago
Probably very very little... there just aren't that many Firefox users to begin with, and the number that are going to alter the User-Agent is a tiny subset. On your second point, I use a mix of Chrome and Firefox... can't remember the last time I ran into something that didn't work on Firefox. Is mandating Chrome really particularly common?
- _rdvw 4y ago
  Firefox actually does alter UA on its own, see about:compat
  - zerocrates 4y ago
    I didn't know that, interesting! Definitely would affect one's experience of how common browser-locked sites are. Probably not relevant here though, as they seem to be pulling their data from one site's traffic; if it were on that compatibility list you'd expect to see no Firefox users at all.
- bee_rider 4y ago
  I agree with you, but it is sort of funny — most of the evidence for Firefox being very rare comes from querying user agents, right? If we were observing the computing universe from the outside, we might speculate that Firefox and spoofing are pretty widespread.
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tuetuopay 4y ago
Sadly this kind of lockout is implemented client-side in Javascript. Either by actively nerfing the FF performance (if ff then bad perf), or by using APIs known to be bad on firefox. All of Google's websites are a perfect example of both actually (no proof needed, but I cannot believe it's only the second option).
- withinboredom 4y ago
  To get you to use Edge, Windows nerfs Chrome’s background performance by shunting all the processes on to a single core (or it used to) randomly. You can’t fucking win. I wouldn’t be surprised if Apple does something similar to Chrome/Edge.
  - culi 4y ago
    I don't think Apple does, but I've noticed stuff like the touch bar and the finger print reader prompting to automatically sign in on certain sites only work on Safari. It makes sense that Safari would be better integrated with the OS. Not sure if it's a matter of Apple not making the API available to other browsers or them not taking advantage of it though
    - themoonisachees 4y ago
      AFAIK touch bar is application-controlled, so its up to chrome/ff to use the API to make it work.
TingPing 4y ago
WebKit also pretends to be Chrome on problematic websites. However this site wouldn't hit that logic for either browser.

dj_mc_merlin 4y ago

I'll do mine: > Chrome 44.36% > Safari 22.40% > Firefox 18.23% > Edge 3.12% > Samsung Internet 2.24% > IE 0.38% > Opera 0.32% > YaBrowser 0.03% Bias: German middle-upper class young families edit: also in case someone is wondering about the Firefox numbers, Germans love Firefox. It's a thing.

jhardy54 4y ago
That looks like it adds to ~91%, are you missing an entry or do you just have a very long tail of unique low-volume browsers?
- dj_mc_merlin 4y ago
  The rest are scrapers which I didn't bother to label. Google, Bing, Semrush, Ahrefs, Pinterest, Yandex, BLEX, Petal, MJ12Bot, Neeva, MetaJob.. They're probably overrepresented in this data set since I collected logs from about a dozen sites, but only a couple of them have any real popularity while all get scraped due to SEO.
  - jhardy54 4y ago
    Makes sense, thanks for indulging my curiosity.
Semaphor 4y ago
Hah, I saw FF at 18% and knew it would be German ;) Here’s our (also German, photography market) Top 5: 39.78 % Chrome 24.39 % Firefox 20.11 % Safari 7 % Edge 2.44 % Opera edit: And just because there are essentially only 2 mobile browsers, here’s the Desktop-only list: 34.08 % Chrome 32.26 % Firefox 16.82 % Safari 9.61 % Edge 2.79 % Opera