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> This is not about "you being able to become root", of course you can do that whenever you want "of course", yeah... Tell that to iOS and most Android users

by lucb1e 4y ago

> This is not about "you being able to become root", of course you can do that whenever you want "of course", yeah... Tell that to iOS and most Android users (even among techies, 95% is afraid of the steps you have to take for getting root on your own damn phone). This used to be normal but for our own good it has been decided that this is not normal now anymore. That kids are growing up with this worries me. When is the market ready for Microsoft and Apple to decide the same for desktops? Not running the DRM and trying to WINE some application is going to be similarly thwarted as doing banking on a phone that the user fully owns is today.

TheRealPomax 4y ago
How are personal gripes about phone operating systems even remotely related to the factual matter of being able to su/sudo whenever you want on a desktop operating system?
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- lucb1e 4y ago
  Just pointing out that what you take for granted today is being removed from newer systems (which additionally relates to the thread as a whole since it uses an alternative way to get ownership over the software running on the device), so maybe it's not such an 'of course' anymore in the way you said :( Sorry that I wasted your time with my, eh, "personal gripes"
  - TheRealPomax 4y ago
    We've had smartphones without superuser rights for checks notes literally forever. There hasn't been a single mass market phone ever created that required you to run anything as root. Yeah, we can jailbreak phones, but until the law busts up the "app store" model, phones don't need root. General computing devices might, and you might want to turn your phone into one of those, but as the device it's sold as, no phone has ever needed you to have access to, or use. , root privileges. Because they're not designed to be computers (yet). Operating systems for desktop have given you the power to superuser-up since day one, to this day, and the odds of that changing any time soon is pretty much zero, because without superuser privileges we can't use those computers for what they're intended to be used for. So yeah, personal gripes: they are wildly and completely different types of devices, for different markets.
  - spookthesunset 4y ago
    The alternative is the internet would be vastly more saturated with botnets and the accompanying fraudulent they are used for. I totally get what you are saying though. But kids these day can have way more impact than the bad old days of C64 command line basic. It’s just at a different level of abstraction. And people who want to tinker with the bowels of a device can always run Linux or one of the many microcontrollers on the market. A $5 ESP32 can do way, way more cool shit than my old commodore computer.
therealmarv 4y ago
I wonder how dangerous it really is to have root access on your phone? How many people got real damage by rooting their phone for their own usages? All people just say it's dangerous however I cannot find data or user reports of people who got hurt badly by rooting their phone and a malicious app was exploiting this attack vector (wonder how big of a deal this niche attack vector is anyway). Sure some people shoot in their own foot with root but that's the danger of root anyway.

by lucb1e 4y ago

TheRealPomax 4y ago

How are personal gripes about phone operating systems even remotely related to the factual matter of being able to su/sudo whenever you want on a desktop operating system?

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lucb1e 4y ago
Just pointing out that what you take for granted today is being removed from newer systems (which additionally relates to the thread as a whole since it uses an alternative way to get ownership over the software running on the device), so maybe it's not such an 'of course' anymore in the way you said :( Sorry that I wasted your time with my, eh, "personal gripes"
- TheRealPomax 4y ago
  We've had smartphones without superuser rights for checks notes literally forever. There hasn't been a single mass market phone ever created that required you to run anything as root. Yeah, we can jailbreak phones, but until the law busts up the "app store" model, phones don't need root. General computing devices might, and you might want to turn your phone into one of those, but as the device it's sold as, no phone has ever needed you to have access to, or use. , root privileges. Because they're not designed to be computers (yet). Operating systems for desktop have given you the power to superuser-up since day one, to this day, and the odds of that changing any time soon is pretty much zero, because without superuser privileges we can't use those computers for what they're intended to be used for. So yeah, personal gripes: they are wildly and completely different types of devices, for different markets.
- spookthesunset 4y ago
  The alternative is the internet would be vastly more saturated with botnets and the accompanying fraudulent they are used for. I totally get what you are saying though. But kids these day can have way more impact than the bad old days of C64 command line basic. It’s just at a different level of abstraction. And people who want to tinker with the bowels of a device can always run Linux or one of the many microcontrollers on the market. A $5 ESP32 can do way, way more cool shit than my old commodore computer.

therealmarv 4y ago

I wonder how dangerous it really is to have root access on your phone? How many people got real damage by rooting their phone for their own usages? All people just say it's dangerous however I cannot find data or user reports of people who got hurt badly by rooting their phone and a malicious app was exploiting this attack vector (wonder how big of a deal this niche attack vector is anyway). Sure some people shoot in their own foot with root but that's the danger of root anyway.