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There's been a lot of studies done on racism in the UK. Basically a victim is less likely to be punched in the face as compared to the past, but racism shows u

There's been a lot of studies done on racism in the UK. Basically a victim is less likely to be punched in the face as compared to the past, but racism shows up in school grading, job finding success, hospital treatment, justice system etc... https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/01/more-than-120000-workers-quit-jobs-because-of-racism-uk-study-suggests https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/sep/01/more-than-1200... https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/dec/15/job-discrimination-faced-by-ethnic-minorities-convinces-public-about-racism https://www.theguardian.com/money/2022/dec/15/job-discrimina... https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/28/facing-the-uncomfortable-possibility-that-healthcare-is-discriminatory https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/28/facing-the-u... https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/12/racism-northern-ireland-couple-tell-abuse-belfast https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jun/12/racism-north...

benj111 4y ago
>One black Caribbean lecturer in the south-west of England told researchers: “I drive a nice car and one member of staff asked me if I was a drug dealer, because how else could I afford [it]?” Well this is the first example I got to and it doesn't seem racist to me. Or am I racist for taking the Mick out of my friends white BMW???
- stevezsa8 4y ago
  I have a friend who is brown, he told me this happened at his work... Another colleague had made a joke where the punchline was something about my brown friend being detained by cops. So my friend was saying how it was driving him insane how often jokes would centre on scenarios of him being chased by cops or being a thief or whatever. The colleague pulls the "jokes are jokes, there's no hidden meanings or racism at play" Two or three other developers could overhear the conversation. 30mins later the IT guy came in and asked my friend if he'd stolen any GPUs from the office for bitcoin mining. I feel the key here is... if a person says they're being victimised by something, whether it be racism or something else. We should strive to reduce this kind of hassling. Imagine if our significant-other was constantly humiliated by work colleagues for being short or fat or some such... I'm sure most people would be upset.
  - benj111 4y ago
    I don't deny it's possibly racist. But to me it seems more motivated by the car. And in the absence of further background I don't think it reasonable to assume racism. Yes you're right, I don't think it's reasonable to make people feel uncomfortable, but I've had people make me feel uncomfortable and that isn't racism. People take the piss out of me for being skinny, the example you give seems to be in the same ballpark. Labeling this kind of thing as racism just devalues the term.
colinb 4y ago
I believe you. There are racists in Britain. There are all manner of bigots there. Between people who thought I was fair game for being Irish (I've heard all the potato jokes I promise) to those who don't like me for being Jewish, I fully believe there are bigots. But again, racist compared to what? Do you have an example of a much less racist society? I.e. I'm not claiming it's ok. But the phrasing 'deeply racist' irritates me. It's a fine way to dismiss everything good about the place. That said, some of the recent stuff in the Graun about black school children being strip searched is enough to make your blood boil.
- stevezsa8 4y ago
  I get what you mean about the "compared to what". And yeah I do reckon it's better in Britain than say the 50s when an Irishman or a Blackman couldn't even rent a place to live easily. When I reread your comment, I can clearly see I got the wrong end of the stick last night. Sorry about that.

benj111 4y ago

>One black Caribbean lecturer in the south-west of England told researchers: “I drive a nice car and one member of staff asked me if I was a drug dealer, because how else could I afford [it]?” Well this is the first example I got to and it doesn't seem racist to me. Or am I racist for taking the Mick out of my friends white BMW???

stevezsa8 4y ago
I have a friend who is brown, he told me this happened at his work... Another colleague had made a joke where the punchline was something about my brown friend being detained by cops. So my friend was saying how it was driving him insane how often jokes would centre on scenarios of him being chased by cops or being a thief or whatever. The colleague pulls the "jokes are jokes, there's no hidden meanings or racism at play" Two or three other developers could overhear the conversation. 30mins later the IT guy came in and asked my friend if he'd stolen any GPUs from the office for bitcoin mining. I feel the key here is... if a person says they're being victimised by something, whether it be racism or something else. We should strive to reduce this kind of hassling. Imagine if our significant-other was constantly humiliated by work colleagues for being short or fat or some such... I'm sure most people would be upset.
- benj111 4y ago
  I don't deny it's possibly racist. But to me it seems more motivated by the car. And in the absence of further background I don't think it reasonable to assume racism. Yes you're right, I don't think it's reasonable to make people feel uncomfortable, but I've had people make me feel uncomfortable and that isn't racism. People take the piss out of me for being skinny, the example you give seems to be in the same ballpark. Labeling this kind of thing as racism just devalues the term.

colinb 4y ago

I believe you. There are racists in Britain. There are all manner of bigots there. Between people who thought I was fair game for being Irish (I've heard all the potato jokes I promise) to those who don't like me for being Jewish, I fully believe there are bigots. But again, racist compared to what? Do you have an example of a much less racist society? I.e. I'm not claiming it's ok. But the phrasing 'deeply racist' irritates me. It's a fine way to dismiss everything good about the place. That said, some of the recent stuff in the Graun about black school children being strip searched is enough to make your blood boil.

stevezsa8 4y ago
I get what you mean about the "compared to what". And yeah I do reckon it's better in Britain than say the 50s when an Irishman or a Blackman couldn't even rent a place to live easily. When I reread your comment, I can clearly see I got the wrong end of the stick last night. Sorry about that.