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Can fascism produce colonialism tomorrow? I mean just look at the defense of Ukraine. The west has had a whole year and not even been able to raise one Brigade

by gsatic 4y ago

Can fascism produce colonialism tomorrow? I mean just look at the defense of Ukraine. The west has had a whole year and not even been able to raise one Brigade worth of troops. Hypothetically if Ukraine collapses anything is possible.

jemmyw 4y ago
While I certainly wish we in the west would do more for Ukraine, "not one brigade" is a silly thing to say. We'd have to be all in if we went in with ground troops. Personally I'd like to see us go all in with aircraft and destroy every last bit of Russian hardware in Ukraine territory, but I've no idea if that's realistic or possible.
- wellthatsawrap2 4y ago
  Why they are not our allies? What is so great about Ukraine?
  - jemmyw 4y ago
    The US, UK and Russia did have a security guarantee with Ukraine in return for them giving up the nuclear weapons they had under the Soviet union. Ukraine has strongly indicated they want to join the EU and NATO and have moved towards a more democratic government (with corruption problems, but some western allies also have corruption). Self serving as that might be they are, for all intents and purposes, our allies. And they are rather strategically positioned. And then we also don't like one country systematically attacking the civilians and civilian infrastructure of another country. There are various agreements about rules of engagement, not annexing within agreed upon borders etc. In answer to your question then: nothing, there's nothing special about Ukraine. That's the point.
laserdancepony 4y ago
> The west has had a whole year and not even been able to raise one Brigade worth of troops. Yes, most certainly this was the entire point of the elaborate weapon delivery schemes. To not escalate this to a world war by sending in NATO forces.
- wellthatsawrap2 4y ago
  Just get it close as possible to a world war.
- gsatic 4y ago
  Doesn't look like it's working. They have lost half their energy infra. And NATO did announce they were going to raise troops mid year. Hasn't happened afaik, cuz the members don't agree on contributing troops.
  - yucky 4y ago
    > Doesn't look like it's working. If it weren't working Russia would have steamrolled Ukraine in a week. Agree or disagree with the policy, but the US is threading the needle between giving Ukraine enough support to keep Russia from winning quickly and decisively, while not putting troops on the ground in a direct fight with Russia which would cause World War 3. If that is indeed the goal, it has worked thus far. I disagree that this is a wise path, but it's their stated strategy.

by gsatic 4y ago

jemmyw 4y ago

While I certainly wish we in the west would do more for Ukraine, "not one brigade" is a silly thing to say. We'd have to be all in if we went in with ground troops. Personally I'd like to see us go all in with aircraft and destroy every last bit of Russian hardware in Ukraine territory, but I've no idea if that's realistic or possible.

wellthatsawrap2 4y ago
Why they are not our allies? What is so great about Ukraine?
- jemmyw 4y ago
  The US, UK and Russia did have a security guarantee with Ukraine in return for them giving up the nuclear weapons they had under the Soviet union. Ukraine has strongly indicated they want to join the EU and NATO and have moved towards a more democratic government (with corruption problems, but some western allies also have corruption). Self serving as that might be they are, for all intents and purposes, our allies. And they are rather strategically positioned. And then we also don't like one country systematically attacking the civilians and civilian infrastructure of another country. There are various agreements about rules of engagement, not annexing within agreed upon borders etc. In answer to your question then: nothing, there's nothing special about Ukraine. That's the point.

laserdancepony 4y ago

> The west has had a whole year and not even been able to raise one Brigade worth of troops. Yes, most certainly this was the entire point of the elaborate weapon delivery schemes. To not escalate this to a world war by sending in NATO forces.

wellthatsawrap2 4y ago
Just get it close as possible to a world war.
gsatic 4y ago
Doesn't look like it's working. They have lost half their energy infra. And NATO did announce they were going to raise troops mid year. Hasn't happened afaik, cuz the members don't agree on contributing troops.
- yucky 4y ago
  > Doesn't look like it's working. If it weren't working Russia would have steamrolled Ukraine in a week. Agree or disagree with the policy, but the US is threading the needle between giving Ukraine enough support to keep Russia from winning quickly and decisively, while not putting troops on the ground in a direct fight with Russia which would cause World War 3. If that is indeed the goal, it has worked thus far. I disagree that this is a wise path, but it's their stated strategy.