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It is not only startups and not only cold places that are overlooked. The iPhone documentation says that it should not be used outside of 32°-95°F. https://sup

It is not only startups and not only cold places that are overlooked. The iPhone documentation says that it should not be used outside of 32°-95°F. https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201678 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201678

runnerup 4y ago
That seems reasonably accurate on the high end for me. For _sustained_ use, iPhones generally stop working well around 100-105F. I suspect I would be disappointed by the performance of an iPhone that could operate in >125F temperatures (temperatures which I have worked in outdoors for several years)
- mcculley 4y ago
  I did not say the documentation is wrong. I am saying that it is not only startups that have trouble imagining their product being used somewhere other than Silicon Valley.
  - runnerup 4y ago
    Ah yeah, the first part of my response was just fluff. I’m undecided if they lacked imagination. I work with a lot of electronics that go in oil wells and we have to make different models for different temperature ranges. We usually have to sacrifice a lot of functionality to gain high operating temperatures. I think it’s possible Apple decided not to serve the markets which need high operating temperatures, rather than simply didn’t even think about the possibility. It affected me, when I worked outdoors in Saudi Arabia and UAE and even Houston. But I probably would still buy a high performance, high battery life 13 Pro Maxover a hypothetical lower performance 13 ExtremeEnvironment edition. Operating at 125F ambient would require a whole lot of sacrifice on the power envelope and much greater overall size of the product. I like big phones but my current Pro Max is about as large as I’d like a phone to be.
    - mcculley 4y ago
      I realize that there are physical limitations of the technology. I don’t have to go to Saudi Arabia for my phone to overheat. I have to be careful where I keep it in Florida.

runnerup 4y ago

That seems reasonably accurate on the high end for me. For _sustained_ use, iPhones generally stop working well around 100-105F. I suspect I would be disappointed by the performance of an iPhone that could operate in >125F temperatures (temperatures which I have worked in outdoors for several years)

mcculley 4y ago
I did not say the documentation is wrong. I am saying that it is not only startups that have trouble imagining their product being used somewhere other than Silicon Valley.
- runnerup 4y ago
  Ah yeah, the first part of my response was just fluff. I’m undecided if they lacked imagination. I work with a lot of electronics that go in oil wells and we have to make different models for different temperature ranges. We usually have to sacrifice a lot of functionality to gain high operating temperatures. I think it’s possible Apple decided not to serve the markets which need high operating temperatures, rather than simply didn’t even think about the possibility. It affected me, when I worked outdoors in Saudi Arabia and UAE and even Houston. But I probably would still buy a high performance, high battery life 13 Pro Maxover a hypothetical lower performance 13 ExtremeEnvironment edition. Operating at 125F ambient would require a whole lot of sacrifice on the power envelope and much greater overall size of the product. I like big phones but my current Pro Max is about as large as I’d like a phone to be.
  - mcculley 4y ago
    I realize that there are physical limitations of the technology. I don’t have to go to Saudi Arabia for my phone to overheat. I have to be careful where I keep it in Florida.